FOIA Request
Via an e-mail:
- SCC
just got word that the Sergeants Association filed an FOIA request for the Inspector General's findings regarding the cheating scandal. The only way they can get the IG's report is if there is a concluded investigation, so they must know something is in the works. Maybe a PBPA lawsuit to tear down the entire list?
Labels: scandals
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
89 Comments:
they should yank GW's pension too. then they should go after all of Phat Phil's cheaters
How about the same for the sgts test? The detectives test since they made the announcement if you are only interested in being made meritorious you only need to take part one and you can leave. Hello FOP.
Bet you a shiny nickel that the request is DENIED.
Even if closed by IG the matter is still under review and cannot be released
until next city agency signs off on it. So IAD has to close off case.
Then Corp Counsel would have to close case in hearing. And the janitor who
Cleans floors has to kiss mayors ring get it.
City hides more stuff everyday. Ever since BGA sued them for Mayors
emails.
All that brain power and they come up with a FOIA request???
NOT an actual lawsuit for breach of contract or fraud ?
No wonder most of the Sergeants on the board are house mouses and a few merits!
Tell me when they actual negotiate a contract and then i believe they have not sold out all their members to RAHM.
I'd love to see it. Hopefully the net ensnares several more of the cheating motherfuckers that caught the crumbs. We all know that a ton more connected assholes were helped.
Tear that bitch down.....no more lt. Promotions. They should be up to full strength now anyway. Take only out the cheaters.....that we know of and replace em with the remaing few sgts. This list should never go over 175 EVER!!!!
Really, how is tearing down the list fair to
the people who took the test honestly and without merit scum hopes. Remember there are at least 30 who deserve that promotion on score.
They have promoted a ton of lt's in record time. Next cpuple pf Lt.'s classes will be maybe a high of 30 (21 off list) people. So if you're listed as 50 or less than i'd say there is a promotion....if youre higher I'd say start praying. Highly unlikely this list will go as high as once anticipated.....once was upper 190's looks more realistically around 175-180-ish...that's like going to 500 on the sgts list.....years ago I'd say yeah but now a days.....seems very unlilely...
30% merit is a killer!!!!!
So tearing down the list after all the cheaters and heavy hitters (clout babies) get their promotions is fair how? They're finally getting to the people that actually studied hard and passed on their own. Would they then strip all the ones that are already LT from this list because how do you know who cheated and who didn't and then have everyone retest? It's quite the pickle.
If the sergeant union steps forward and actually addresses this KNOWN cheating scandal, my faith in Jim Ade and the union is 100% restored.
Hey Jimmy pick your poison on me buddy. I am glad your going out on a positive note by addressing this scandal. I pray this is true and the guilty will be punished for their illegal actions.
Tearing down the list is probably the only thing you can do once the test has been proven to be compromised. It is unfair to the ones who didn't cheat but you don't know who cheated and who didn't.
Great
Pull Little Weezy out of that elite training and bounce her back to a sergeant because I can think of 50 other sergeants that deserve that honor and
Hall
Carter
Ward
McKenzie
Blanton
Green
Mitchum
Boyd
Ain't one of them
Don't get too excited there are no refunds for those stuffed envelopes/contributions...
new untainted Lieutenants exam in the "near" future. this list done?
How embarrassing. My bosses are cheaters and incompetent.
An FOIA request? This says it all. If the city is hiding the results of the so called "investigation" then there is no investigation
Let's move on and discuss those tickets to bikers!
House of cards. Dumb enough to cheat and even dumber for not covering their tracks.
So tearing down the list after all the cheaters and heavy hitters (clout babies) get their promotions is fair how? They're finally getting to the people that actually studied hard and passed on their own. Would they then strip all the ones that are already LT from this list because how do you know who cheated and who didn't and then have everyone retest? It's quite the pickle.
Finally getting to the people that studied hard...?
Wheeeezzzzeeee,Should i be "concerned"?
Some CR results will be reversed and law suits filed due to untruthful and untrustworthy people working in IAD.
Williams you are proof positive that race is a factor! You sob!
The FOIA request will be denied. The Pbpa will have to decide whether to sue at that point. That decision will likely be made based on what action is taken by the department as a result of the findings. Maybe the findings will be released as part of the measures to deliver consequences. We need a "leaker"
Highly unlikely that they can afford a new test. This list is just a year old and cost many millions to do.
Time to do away with promotional tests all together. No way can cheating ever be prevented and tests never show who are good leaders. Private industry doesn't use tests neither does the military. Promotions are based on proven ability not on theoretical knowledge of the job.
How long does one have to be a CPD Sergeant before they can take the Lieutenant's
examination?
Interested Chicagoan
Start with the Sgt exam!
How about the same for the sgts test? The detectives test since they made the announcement if you are only interested in being made meritorious you only need to take part one and you can leave. Hello FOP.
3/20/2017 12:07:00 AM
Dean jr made it. FOP will never sue.
Every test in the last 17 years have been cheated. Nothing will change. Why we get idiots and stooges with stripes. And 29% clearance rates. Reap what you sow.
I just heard from Heather Cherone at DNAInfo and she indicates her sources claim that the IG has not forwarded the report to CPD but she will check into the reports again.
You can contact Heather Cherone hcherone@dnainfo.com. She is trying to get to the bottom of what occurred.
There's no time table to comply, FOIA can take years & an IAD closer goes nowhere (ExamScam-1988).
The List will continue to be cherry-picked for diverse replacement Merits and only then will it be disposed.
By the time any of the info is released, Rahm will be clinging to a re-election runoff, KidneyBean Special Ed will be long gone & the Cheats will have all obtained their best of the last 4 years average salary for pension purposes. No criminal investigation or penalty because they'll be given the opportunity to quietly retire.
And what does all this matter? Go ahead, tear the old list down.
Nobody is going to be loosing their job.
The next test will be exactly like every other test (full of cheaters)
People demoted will be promoted again (meritoriously)
The white shirts, politicians and kiss asses will still put their guys in the right places.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Just get rid of the PROVEN cheaters and replace them with people from the list only......end the list by 190-200.
No reason to go any higher unless they keep the sgt list up to ober 500.
People who have taken this test in the pasy knew the cutoff on lists was /is around 150 or so. On the sgts list it USED to be around 500 then slowly knocked down to around 410-420 -ish with a real low of 365-370 a couple of tests ago. No reason this Lt. List stays up after 175 or so. And we know its NOT FAIR but people have STOLEN pronotions before its just these NOBLE people were lazy and didn't try to hide it like past groups ( secretaries, people who worked for MAUER, guys from 011 who worked with PC's kid).
Dectives exam was rife with cheaters as well. Let's not forget the tact teams and area teams (all clout jag bags) going to the bathroom so they can find the answers on their phones. I just wonder how many got their crib sheets past the merit coppers who work in personnel.
If you want an honest exam, you'd have to go to another state not connected to the Chicago machine. And even then I'm sure the crooks in uniform would still be able to cheat.
When I go to work every day knowing that my boss is a lying, cheating, double merit promoted incompetent, how much work do you think I do each day?
I've hear the IG investigation has uncovered a few more (so far un-named) individuals who were involved in the LT exam cheating.
Every one of those cheaters should be charged with felony theft, fired and lose their pensions. It's really that simple - the only problem the city has is the offenders have clout. If this scandal involved the unclouted blue shirt - every cheater would be gone by now.
Lets get real here, there are only two ways to go, the cheaters get criminally charged, or its the usual, they are investigated by the corrupt IAD and nothing happens. This is just my opinion and is based on all the past practices I've observed.
I doubt a new test if they actually punish someone for cheating. Then at the same time, pulling the list bc its compromised opens the city up for litigation......officers paid for study groups and may have scored well.......a new test won't solve this problem.
Unreal. 30% merit promotions in a police dept. CPD supervisors promoted on the basis of political clout, family relationships, cheating, and payoffs. No wonder chgo crime is out of control. Damn near 60% of cpd supervisors are given the job based on absent qualifications. How does this not violate the old shakman decree. Hello dept. of justice , this is your window to change in chgo. You listening.
I wonder if FatHeadEd is "concerned" about this?
Does he have "more questions than answers"?.....if so he should talk to Wheezie cause she's all about having the answers!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How embarrassing. My bosses are cheaters and incompetent.
3/20/2017 04:33:00 AM
Wheezie is that and more!
When did O'Hare Aviation Police get body cameras and why?
Cheaters and incompetent sounds like rahmie......
How many Noble Exempt were at the benefit on Sunday! NONE
This list has got to come down.
I hear the argument "but what about the people who legitimately did well in an honest fashion?"
My answer is simple- if you were at the top of the last exam on your own score, then you should be near the top of the list after the next exam too. If you were at the top of this list, and then drop out of contention after a new, non-compromised exam is issued- what does that say? Perhaps that points to why you want to cry to keep a tainted list up in the first place.
Anyone who fights to keep this list up has to be questioned in regards to their involvement.
Signed,
A blue shirt, who none of this matters to but who is tired of the nonstop fuckery.
THEY ALREADY PROMOTED THE CHEATERS!!! It makes no sense to tear it down now. Those who scored 100-200 studied hard with no inside knowledge and deserve to be promoted. Tearing it down will bring more lawsuits.
This list has got to come down.
I hear the argument "but what about the people who legitimately did well in an honest fashion?"
My answer is simple- if you were at the top of the last exam on your own score, then you should be near the top of the list after the next exam too. If you were at the top of this list, and then drop out of contention after a new, non-compromised exam is issued- what does that say? Perhaps that points to why you want to cry to keep a tainted list up in the first place.
Anyone who fights to keep this list up has to be questioned in regards to their involvement.
Signed,
A blue shirt, who none of this matters to but who is tired of the nonstop fuckery.
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I guess until you spend a year studying for an exam, foregoing family outings, weekends off, spend money for a study group and score well enough to make it off the list by score, you will never understand why some will not want this list taken down.
1:39pm yes 30% promotions is an embarrassment
worse is 90% of our XO , Command Staff were Merit Sgt. and/or LT all Captains are appointed my point , most should be working a beat car
they are stealing the pension highest rank for pension should be Lt. and only if you were not ever merit promoted
where are the FOP , PBPA and Pension reps?
If they take down the list they will just have to give another test and another opportunity for the cheater subject matter experts to give the answers to a whole different group. I say fire the cheaters and let them fight their way back on
The list should be kept up. Remaining promotions should involve no merit. All the cheaters have been promoted already. It cost too much money for these tests and remember the city is broke. Another test would mean another chance to cheat, and now they know how not to get caught.
1:39pm yes 30% promotions is an embarrassment
worse is 90% of our XO , Command Staff were Merit Sgt. and/or LT all Captains are appointed my point , most should be working a beat car........
The only issue I have with the above statement is that at least the (M/1) Captains were originally promoted to Sgt and Lt from the test not merit, and yes Im one of them
Anonymous Anonymous said...
1:39pm yes 30% promotions is an embarrassment
worse is 90% of our XO , Command Staff were Merit Sgt. and/or LT all Captains are appointed my point , most should be working a beat car
they are stealing the pension highest rank for pension should be Lt. and only if you were not ever merit promoted
where are the FOP , PBPA and Pension reps?
3/20/2017 08:04:00 PM
Fire pension board did it lieutenant highest pensionable rank, how about parity? Why does rahms detail get sergeants pensions and some get commanders huge pensions when they are all 9161 patrolmen talk about pension theft! Lappe hauser hello again wake up!
They tried a " legit " tests for sergeant and lieutenant in 94-95. The results were disastrous for the diversity crowd. The test would have probably been okayed by the Feds but the local pols could not handle it. If memory serves me right, they only made about 100 or so off the lieutenants list. Of course, to placate the pols, the merit promotions started at this time. All history after that. Almost all of the exempts were made by the merit process.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When did O'Hare Aviation Police get body cameras and why?
3/20/2017 02:31:00 PM
They didn't. There's at least one guy that has his own. He also has a vest with every pocket and gadget possible.
End gold braid pension. Nothing more then a Lt pension. No more then one bite of merit apple. 10 percent meritorious. When you figure the 30 percent crap with cheating. We ent up with 60 to 70 percent of unqualified boneheaded bosses that could not point out the dead bodies in a morgue.
Relax. They will get to 500 off the list for last sgt exam. List hasn't even been up 3 years.
I wish guys who have never been in the military would quit with the comparisons. This job is not even close to the military and nobody I know that has served has stated otherwise. I'm not a big fan of promotional tests but either way the guy who said the military does not have promotional tests does not know what he is talking about. As far as I know at least 2 branches do have promotion testing. This job is not paramilitary.
our XO , Command Staff were Merit Sgt. and/or LT all Captains are appointed my point , most should be working a beat car
Sorry, don't push the beat with the sissy police, even Clint Eastwood calls your generation the millennials the biggest pussy generation, google it MEOW!
Love,the XO
guess until you spend a year studying for an exam, foregoing family outings, weekends off, spend money for a study group and score well enough to make it off the list by score, you will never understand why some will not want this list taken down.
Exactly a lot of people do make it legit off the score on their exam, hang the 4-5 you know damn well cheated
Hey I'm still waiting for my 5 veterans points the City and CPD never gave. Could have used them when I was waiting to make Sgt. But all you young guys don't know about that.Those of us who served in and during the Vietnam War got shafted by CPD and Mayor Dailey who openly violated the Federal rule that civil service employees City, County, State and Federal got 5 veterans points for serving. Yeah keep bitching keep hoping but take it from us old timers this City and the CPD are and always have been the most corrupt bunch in the country and NOTHING has or ever will be done to those who are corrupt. Grow up boys and girls this is Chicago and CPD and nothing has ever been fair, legit or done truthfully within the law ever. Good luck take care of your families and friends state safe and live to collect your pensions.
Kid Cline and friends
If the tests given by cpd were legit, I would be a captain by now. No joke
Pulling the list down is meaningless unless they hold accountable the cheaters. Including the retired. Most if not all of the cheaters already took the undeserving promotion. So if you pull the list do the already promoted cheaters keep their rank?
Great
Pull Little Weezy out of that elite training and bounce her back to a sergeant because I can think of 50 other sergeants that deserve that honor and
Hall
Carter
Ward
McKenzie
Blanton
Green
Mitchum
Boyd
Ain't one of them
3/20/2017 02:06:00 AM
Why do you think the cheaters should be sergeants? They should be fired and charged criminally. They should be required to pay back whatever salary they gained by their cheating. They should never be allowed to do anything involving policing in Chicago, or anywhere else for that matter. You really want to have these cheaters busted down to sergeant and keep their jobs? Wow.
This list has got to come down.
I hear the argument "but what about the people who legitimately did well in an honest fashion?"
My answer is simple- if you were at the top of the last exam on your own score, then you should be near the top of the list after the next exam too. If you were at the top of this list, and then drop out of contention after a new, non-compromised exam is issued- what does that say? Perhaps that points to why you want to cry to keep a tainted list up in the first place.
Anyone who fights to keep this list up has to be questioned in regards to their involvement.
Signed,
A blue shirt, who none of this matters to but who is tired of the nonstop fuckery.
3/20/2017 03:11:00 PM
People who studied hard and did well on the last test don't magically retain all the knowledge they crammed into their heads prior to taking that test. They would have to waste a lot of time studying again just to have a chance to get back on the list where they had already earned a spot. Why should they have to do that when they did nothing wrong in the first place? Punish everyone for the actions of a few? Find the cheaters via whatever evidence they left of their cheating, and leave the rest of the people on the list alone.
1:39pm yes 30% promotions is an embarrassment
worse is 90% of our XO , Command Staff were Merit Sgt. and/or LT all Captains are appointed my point , most should be working a beat car........
The only issue I have with the above statement is that at least the (M/1) Captains were originally promoted to Sgt and Lt from the test not merit, and yes Im one of them
Are you saying Mark Moore made it by score?
Papa time to pay for the cheating. Not as smug as you used to be.
End gold braid pension. Nothing more then a Lt pension . . .
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The only thing (loophole) the CITY can do without violating the state constitution in regards to limiting the "gold braid pension" is this:
Pay every exempt their NON-EXEMPT pay. ie; lieutenants or captains pay on the 1st and 16th.
Then, on say the 22nd of the month, give them "a stipend", a "special pay for being a certain exempt rank.
This "stipend pay" would NOT be pensionable and eventually all newer exempts would only get the pension of a lieutenant or captain.
Why is it that the state of Illinois Department of Professional Registration can administer tests for some 125 professions and they have never to my knowledge had any complaints of impriorites by the administrators or test takers?
Why don't doctors, lawyers, nurses, airline pilots, engineers, psychologists, accountants give merit promotions?
Why only the police?
Word has it that "dirty little Richie Daley" as he was called by his fellow state legislators had to take the bar exam 3 times in order to pass it. Ditto for "little Jon, Jon," Kennedy. Although he may have gotten his pilots license meritoriously. LOL
Does anyone remember Capt John Manley? The racist, womanizer, arsonist of boats who was fired by the police dept (no pension) and who's father was head of the Chicago Ports under ol man Daley. A real piece of shit but heavy, very heavy. He went to University of Michigan law school and could never pass the bar exam. Last I heard it was 5 attempts. RIP you asshole.
Just fire the 35 cheaters.
Promote everyone on the list over the next 3-5 years.
Problem solved. Won't need another lieutenant test for 7 years.
Will save millions!!!
Anonymous said...
Kid Cline and friends
3/21/2017 06:51:00 AM
At least they knew to answer a few questions wrong on purpose to make it look some what legit!
Ward is being investigated by IG on another matter related to an IAD case she was not exactly up to par on.
TO: worse is 90% of our XO , Command Staff were Merit Sgt. and/or LT all Captains are appointed my point , most should be working a beat car........
Come on D. Harris is the "Best of the Best". After all they just sent his to the National Academy to make his completely Merit career seem legit.... Thanks Daddy....
Anonymous said...
Word has it that "dirty little Richie Daley" as he was called by his fellow state legislators had to take the bar exam 3 times in order to pass it. Ditto for "little Jon, Jon," Kennedy. Although he may have gotten his pilots license meritoriously. LOL
Does anyone remember Capt John Manley? The racist, womanizer, arsonist of boats who was fired by the police dept (no pension) and who's father was head of the Chicago Ports under ol man Daley. A real piece of shit but heavy, very heavy. He went to University of Michigan law school and could never pass the bar exam. Last I heard it was 5 attempts. RIP you asshole.
3/21/2017 09:24:00 AM
Rumor is, it wasn't Richie at all, who passed the bar on the third try. Rumor is too mild a word...
3/21/2017 09:24:00 AM,
It is not nice to speak ill of the dead. John Manley will come back and set your toupee' on fire!
Since there is not an official peep about this cheating investigation and it looks like these suspected cheaters are moving on with their careers, I am starting to think that the rumors are false and there is nothing to this investigation.
What will this do?
Since there is not an official peep about this cheating investigation and it looks like these suspected cheaters are moving on with their careers, I am starting to think that the rumors are false and there is nothing to this investigation.
I've been saying that for 6 months.
Why isn't there a lawsuit on this damn thing. What are they waiting for?
Right now there are people trying to figure out how to bury this. I am confident that if they do, it will eventually blow up in their faces.
They have to wait till the official IG Office Investigation is completed.
What is the statute of limitations?
It's definitely going to happen. Won't be long, they are just dragging their feet long enough for Special big head small tiny balls Eddie to have enough time to get himself together and throw in the towel. Some of the cheaters are laughing now but from a very reliable source, it's coming down the pipes so they better start getting their affairs in order.
Pappa don't cheat, I'm in trouble deep. Pappa don't cheat, I've been losing sleep. But I've made up my mind, I can't keep my mouth shut.
Come on I'm getting anxious!
Pretty soon we'll be hearing crickets. And I mean that literally.
There are many Sergeant's that do NOT respect most of the Lieutenant's who have been promoted during this last exam and feel disgruntled towards the city and our self serving DC mayor for his dissension. The working Sergeant's feel embarrassed that they may have to follow through with orders that these "cheaters" may have to give some day. And when something comes to question, these same Sergeant's feel that they will be disciplined including being fired from the mistakes of these cheating-non-police.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
There are many Sergeant's that do NOT respect most of the Lieutenant's who have been promoted during this last exam and feel disgruntled towards the city and our self serving DC mayor for his dissension. The working Sergeant's feel embarrassed that they may have to follow through with orders that these "cheaters" may have to give some day. And when something comes to question, these same Sergeant's feel that they will be disciplined including being fired from the mistakes of these cheating-non-police.
3/25/2017 11:15:00 PM
If a "working sergeant" is stupid enough to follow an unlawful order then he/she is a fool. It's easier to defend yourself doing the right thing per directives than doing the wrong thing and thinking that just because your superior told you then it's okay - WRONG.
Btw, there has always been cheaters, disgruntled, bad supervisors, bad POs and idiots on this job as well as no shortage of whiners.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Time to do away with promotional tests all together. No way can cheating ever be prevented and tests never show who are good leaders. Private industry doesn't use tests neither does the military. Promotions are based on proven ability not on theoretical knowledge of the job.
3/20/2017 08:29:00 AM
Really?
Do away with test?
Go 100% "merit"?
Did you really put ANY thought into that?
Cheaters ain't the problem, we've always had those, it's people like you that's the problem. Stop whining in the dark about hairbrained ideas and come to union meeting and speak up
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