Squad Policing Dead?
Who would have figured this disaster wouldn't outlast McCarthy?
- SCC-Maybe you can help with getting information since our unit reps, watch reps, and fop has no answer. This is new information regarding the squad scheduling.
This week the 12 district was informed that the squad scheduling was going to be terminated in the 3rd period.
Everyone has to re- pick day off groups and have to now find a 3rd person for each car. What is upsetting is they wait until the year begins to tell us that its ending. No one for 2 years ever bothered to even ask us our opinion on this. I am not a fan of squad scheduling at all. But like most of us we have family and other obligations in our current day off groups. Its very simple to just up and say everyone has to re-pick day off groups. Instead of waiting until the end of 2016 to fix this issue and have new d.o.g for 2017 they chose to do this now. At least this commander was able to get this stopped, but why now? Any help?
This is a shitty thing to do after everyone has already picked furloughs, figured out holiday schedules and generally scheduled life, knowing what their day off group was going to be for the year. Personally, we schedule all sorts of doctor and dentist appointments months ahead of time because we know when we're going to be available during the week, even as far off as September.
Now we've also just heard that the Impact Zone foot patrols (another relic of the McCarthy era) have been discontinued and all the kids are being shifted to districts with less than (or exactly) two days notice. We aren't positive, but don't they have a certain number of Contract protections after one year? Including the one about proper advance notice prior to switching days off?
And someone just commented that the Department is going back to Street Deputies, instead of OCIC's?
Golly, they can't erase the McCarthy legacy fast enough, can they? Next thing you know, we'll have Watch Commanders again.
Now we've also just heard that the Impact Zone foot patrols (another relic of the McCarthy era) have been discontinued and all the kids are being shifted to districts with less than (or exactly) two days notice. We aren't positive, but don't they have a certain number of Contract protections after one year? Including the one about proper advance notice prior to switching days off?
And someone just commented that the Department is going back to Street Deputies, instead of OCIC's?
Golly, they can't erase the McCarthy legacy fast enough, can they? Next thing you know, we'll have Watch Commanders again.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:35 AM
109 Comments:
Watch Commanders are indeed coming back.... They will be Lts first and eventually back to Capts when a new supe is picked.
And 25 Districts. Fuck all the New York bullshit. It was all lies and cover ups. The people will soon see how letting communist ACLU bullshit into Chicago will affect the crime rate. Stay Fucking Fetal.
Can we start talking like Chicago Police again?!
No more Bureau's (isn't that a cabinet?) Murder, shootings, XO's and summonses. I still don't know what a summons is, an ANOV?
Station supervisors will be gone, district detectives will be gone, executive officers will be gone..... The list goes on and on but we know one thing for sure that McDope brought us just like he did in New Jersey the FEDS, CONSENT DECREES, LAWSUITS FOR CIVIL RIGHT VIOLATIONS, and ACLU.......
They want to fix everything McCarthy did. Turns out Rahm gave McCarthy carte blanche. Guess all of us thinking McCarthy was Rahms puppet wasnt true.
Maybe they'll even seperate 019/023 and 012/013. Maybe open up A-4 and A-5?
While it does suck for the youngsters on foot patrol having such short notice, at least they will be in cars and none of them were seriously injured with that piss-poor idea.
Squad policing and foot patrols were bullshit. What the hell is an OCIC? Never seen it on the street. And watch commanders always made sense. Too much responsibility put in the desk Sgt. Excuse me, station supervisor. Can we please go back to desk Sgt now?
Watch commanders are coming back as well as desk sgt duties. The exception is w/c will be Lt not Capt and they will assign 2 Lt to each watch and will not pay sgt out of grade when filling in. Bunch of nonsense but maybe this doj stuff will actually get us some rights and increase the hiring. There also kicking around reopening 019 after that experiment has gone to hell with making the huge district where they have crazy taxes and no service.
Family First. Non existent ! Your feelings , your babysitting issues , your side jobs, your special employment, your doctors appointment , your kids soccer game, etc. they mean NOTHING to them. U are and your plans and family mean nothing to them
iAD is being beefed up to a respectable 60 sergeants. WATCH YOUR ASSES.
Sounds like you're all being treated like slaves. Not a cop. Unbelievable!
It is a great idea to get rid of the crap McCarthy started. None of it will tied for shit. Unfortunately, you can't do it without come collateral damage.
I hear another one of his experiments that will be corrected, will be to return to 5 Areas. One of the worst experiments of his failed legacy.
What's next? We'll have to stop saying "perps" and "bus" ?
OMG! The preceints are buzzing!!
They need watch commanders again or at least make the Lt. the new WC. This current revolving DSS system is a disaster. I've never seen the watch so disorganized and if the city is all of a sudden so concerned with supervision and accountability why not address this issue. It use to be there were layers of supervision Sgt. Lt. Capt. Now you can take a PO send him / her through five weeks of Sgt. school and bam they're running the show. The DOJ should look into that.
OT- Who are the 2 merit Sergeants that are immediately detailed to IAD? Oh, they both are working days, S/S DOG, and get a take home city car. The same guys who were too busy to study and do well on the promotin exam. Remember "Earned not given."
Are they then going to open Area 5? Why stuff all the Dets. into Area North (old area3) Spread them back out for coverage.
Well you sure don't need 18 Deputy Chiefs either. How about Springfield reverses the Gold-Braid Bill too.
IT can change every period.
But it sounds like a person who does not go to union meetings and is afraid to put thought into making his workplace a better place.
And that schedule appointments throughout the whole year??? Let me guess july 3rd, day before thanksgiving, spring break? Wow those are the same days I plan for all year weird.
Start going to meetings and file a grievance since that is not mentioned once on the eloquent post that tugs at my heart strings in 1 of the nice districts.
(OT) so go to get coffee at store front page of Sunday scumtimes headline 3 of koschman coppers are retired 3 more retiring! why is walsh the connected lt still on the job? the guy who hid papers for the daley felon? Are the feds finally looking into this tragedy? Lets see vanko/daley got what over 60 million of our pension money "poof" lost all of it they are not in jail for this, and who at our pension board took "our money" and freely gave these millions away? was their a bank handed deal for who gave away our money? to think daley kills this kid (I know it was a punch) flees the scene gets what 6 months and you could be sure he was not eating prison food probably catered in, exceptionally clean quarters! A copper does anything and he/she gets thrown in deep, no life preservers thrown but connected your given royalty treatment!
Sorry Mrs. Koschman about your son,and sorry they sprinkled you with petty cash as they give away millions to thugs and criminals!! God bless CPD!
51/277, way to go ACLU, you are so correct.
After 12 months the only contractual restriction on PPO's is the 18 month probation.
They are afforded all rights as all other officers
Try reading your contract about management rights...
Wow 51 as of Saturday morning, could we get to 60 in two days of warmer weather? BLM.
I give The Supe credit for trying to un-Do some of the screw ups that GMAC made but I still don't understand Dave Harris as a Captain. Oh well, maybe Escalante can now focus on undoing the whole DSS order
Per the BOP order, those PPOs will be paired with POs. Bye bye partner.
"..Next thing you know, we'll have Watch Commanders again.."
Captains will never be watch commanders again---the BS XO job is way too sweet to give up---more captains will = more inspectors.....altho Lts did fine job as inspector.
Maybe if we are really really good (or bad)---they will unwrite the goofy DSS order and actually have the Lts in charge of the watch--and the lockup---and the probable cause/final approval---altho they have proven to be woeful inept at making sure the ICC cameras/mics work/are being use
Well, obviously you have very little time on the job. Welcome to the CPD, newbie. AND, you thought it was such a good job. What did you think you signed up for ? Now go drink the kool aid and believe the department's bullshit, DUH !
Anyone hear a rumor about the Gangs unit being told they were going to 10 hour days, and by the end of the tour the union put an end to it? The officers were so pissed a rather large group of them went down to Washington St the next morning and the powers that be locked them out of their own union. That's some quality representation for ya. Next thing you know you're going to have a guy making six figures asking for someone else to pay for his vet bills....
McCarthy had such a huge ego, he dictated instead of managing. There was never a clear plan to follow. The command structure was a mess too, a hodgepodge of New York and Chicago combined. You can blame a lot on the Mayor, but McCarthy owns this mess. He was always the smartest guy in the room and never listened to anyone. He was a disaster.
Bringing McCarthy in and leaving him is Emmanuel's mistake.
Next up, pull the detectives out of the districts and put them back in the areas. And reopen area 4 or 5 and stop calling them north, central and south.
So wait a program that no one liked at least according to comments on here is discontinued and people complain? What's next the commander of 012 gone and complaints about that?
from Trib article about lawsuits and payouts:
"...This has been an issue for decades and there is no question the department needs to do a better job identifying officers with problematic behavior to hold them accountable and restore trust in the police," Guglielmi said in an emailed statement. He said improving the department's "early intervention system" will be a focus of the newly named Task Force on Police Accountability and the Justice Department investigation..."
HEY BOYS AND GIRLS lets reinstistute the 20 plus program---and scrutinize/early warn/intervene all members with more than 20 CR numbers (whether sustained or not)......
(OT) For the 3rd time this week, there is an article on REDDIT that is discussing how 80% of CPD audio/mics/cameras dont work due to "Operator Error" or "Intentional Destruction".
This certainly seems like its incorrect, but to the public, they take these articles as FACT. As a citizen, what is the reality here? And, where are the comments from your FOP to dispute these, if they are not correct? Silence from you guys makes us believe this garbage. I read the alleged reports from the guys doing the service work, and the problems seem to be technical glitches more so than anything. I didnt see anything that said Intentional destruction. I could certainly understand if there were "Operator error" issues where someone didnt know all the tricks to getting these things to sync up (we probably all have had some kind of issues getting wireless or blue tooth to work on our personal stuff at home).
Where are the responses from FOP? It makes you guys look real bad.
HA! HA! HA!
Stick a fork in everything Gary McCarthy!
This guy was a LOSER, but he stole money from Chicago!!
Shove it up your Compstat! Stupid City Politicians!
Um, you get to revert back to the DOG you were on when you picked your furlo. FNGs
The 5th is a mess now with squad policing. The Commander has assigned the 506 team to DOG 77 therefore there are no officers working beat cars on most 77 work days. KJ has 7 tac teams now in 005. Four regular, a Robbery team, and an 06 team on both watches. This includes 30 officers and 3 sergeants. Time due has already been denied so the 06 teams can be manned. The captain that left, changed the whole 10 hour schedule by starting the manpower in the squads at the 3 roll call start times. So in other words the squads do not all start work at the same roll call. KJ is an example of someone being promoted beyond his competency. Unfortunately, this has been the trend on this job for too many years. Patrol is being run by all the cloutorious-scholarship recipiants that have not worked patrol in years if not decades.
almost like the DeStalinization in the USSR in the mid 1950's,,,,
bring back the old detective units and sos squad
Appendix P of the contract spells out the rights of probationary officers after 12 months on the job.
Sorry you'll have to change your day off group but it's a minor inconvenience compared to what happens everyday. There are only a handful of late cars to cover an entire district. We're lucky if we have 4 cars able to man the calls at watch change. The officers assigned to the late check off cars are hammered with jobs until the next watch finally decides to hit the street.
If it's any consolation try to pick a day off group either just before or just after your current day off group.
Time for Chicago Police to have a Female Police Superintendent . Let's make History , the first major city to have a female in charge .
Select a current or retired female Police Officer from Chicago . There are plenty out there that have Respect of Police Officers , worked in Patrol , Investigative , Tactical assignments during their current or previous time with CPD .
Chicago tried with outsiders and it doesn't work .
Come on Rahm , make Chicago Great , Change Chicago Police Department with a Female Superintendent that can get the 95% of Chicago's law abiding citizens involved in supporting Chicago's Finest men and women in Blue .
At least it's a beginning to an end of the McCarthy/Chief Tracy policing that never worked. Too many years of strategies that never worked and incompetent leadership.
Hate to sound dumb.......been gone for a while......
What is an OCIC?
Thank you
I don't agree with re-opening any of theach closed districts. I do agree with reopening all the areas
RE: Family First. Non existent ! Your feelings , your babysitting issues , your side jobs, your special employment, your doctors appointment , your kids soccer game, etc. they mean NOTHING to them. U are and your plans and family mean nothing to them 1/30/2016 03:32:00 AM
You're correct, the only problem is that those things are yours to schedule around your job. You have the handout mentality, that everyone and everything, including your employer and your co-workers should accommodate your wants, needs and whims. If you have a family EMERGENCY, I'm sure your needs would be considered and accommodated if possible. The fact that you have a side job, or that you schedule your doctor appointments while you should be working or have to work, etc., and the fact that you can't organize your childcare like nearly 2/3rds of the Department employees have to do is your issue and not your supervisor's issue to work out for you. They don't need to let you take off, come in late or leave early, and you probably expect them to do it all without a slip too. Again, things come up, and we've all been accommodated if stuff occasionally happens, but once and a while often turns into a routine and the rest of us get stuck picking up your slack, or get our time denied because you need something again. Your not as special as you think, no one is here to accommodate your life, this is your job. If it doesn't work for you and your lifestyle, or the preferences you have in life then quit and open up the spot for someone else. Wake up, the world really doesn't revolve around you, or your family alone. Really? Special employment, side jobs and soccer games? Really? Find a trusted babysitter and schedule your doctor appoints on your time like the rest of us do. That's not what family first means jackass. Your feelings? Probably the dumbest statement you made!
Here's a couple of observations from an old-timer. The detectives in the districts has been a good thing for us. We have some great guys/gals who work in our district, and having them right there and available has been helpful. No waiting for them to drive to us when we need them. They've gotten to know the district people and have actually worked out pretty well. I'd hate to see them go.
PPO's off that bullshit Impact Zone stuff is long overdue. That whole experiment has been a disaster for them and for the districts. Put them in a squad car with a veteran officer. Let them learn to keep their eyes open and their mouths shut for a year or so like in the old days. For you old timers out there who happen to have to ride with one of them occasionally, don't be a jag off right off the bat. Give the new kids a chance. If they screw up or cop an attitude, THEN be a jag off. Until then, try to remember what it was like when we were new.
Undoing McDisaster's moves will be a little painful but will hopefully result in a better department. Personally I can't wait to go back to aggravated batteries and homicides instead of shootings and murders, Divisions instead of Bureaus and Watch Commanders instead of DSS.
Old Salty Retired Desk Sgt . says this ,
Anyone with 20 years on knows that the Desk Sgt. always ran the watch for the Captain and during periods when the Lt. was the Watch Commander . Desk Sgt. made assignment sheets , balanced day off groups , clerked Arrest reports , approived arrest reports when captain was in the field patrolling the district , wink,wink .
Rahms relative was a desk sgt and knows this . Keep the field lt. , eliminate the XO
Have all Captains assigned to the three areas on 12 hour shifts , from there they can act as inspectors and make field inspections , inspect roll calls and report findings to the new superintendent . Maybe from an area they could monitor the GPS ,body and car videos . Eliminate District Tactical teams , assign all tactical officers to one of the areas under the direct supervision of the Captain . Captain could then assign tactical units to areas hit with robbery , burglary patterns . Let's get away from endangering our tactical officers with the number games of dope arrests , assign the tactical officers in the tactical uniform unless Captain has them working undercover in covert vehicles . No t shirts with vest worn over it , stars dangling around neck on a chain . Captains should then be required to Inspect one watch in every district per week and enforce uniform , grooming standards . Let's bring respect back to the Chicago Police Department . Patrolman gets a reprimand , Sergeant a day if officers do not conform . CPD lacks Pride , very little supervision . Look at any crime scene ,many Officers look sloppy , not one is in the same uniform . zero degrees , we have long sleeve shirts , sweaters , leather jackets , vest covers worn as outer garment . Hats , no hats , stocking caps worn sideways or unauthorized stocking caps . Females with pony tails , goatee beards , shaggy beards . All on camera for the world to see . The only ones that look good are the white shirts , why is that ? Lack of discipline. Does Chicago still have Inspectors ?
Yes need Watch Commanders, make them Captains, don't need goddamn XO's .Open up one more area, 3 sucks but argument can be made why we don't need 5. Open up 4th area and call it area west who cares .
You have a fre#^!* job and your not in prison so deal with it and leave when you make 20 years that's your dam solution.
ACLU, IPRA and many more folks goals out there is to put as many cops into prison as they can...and beleive me there's plenty of people in gov that have a hard on for this no matter what expense. Somewhere people are patting themselves in the back for this, no one wants police anymore that's a fact! If they put this much effort in sending cops to prison into actual reform or family values and morals, maybe this broken down system will show positive results in these neighborhoods that have no hope and police are pawns to political votes!
Can someone explain what "squad policing" is?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/28/fraternal-order-of-police-hacked-fbi-investigation-data-servers
Wonder if our fop was part of the hack
Death to the Squad Program! Lets get the band back together.
The dept. Should have relief Lts. That fill in as watch commanders when one is off. That way they don't have sets filling that duty or paying more for a Lt. To fill in from another dist..
10:27AM...
McCarthy told Rahm he'd fuck us and save him some money, that's all that mattered.
When Lt D Harris was in News Affairs he addressed our Detective class and told us he had 2 main goals to achieve while he was at News Affairs.
Here were his 2 goals.
1. Create professionalism at news affairs.
2. Put SCC blog out of business.
LMFAO
Did you achieve either goal while you were at news affairs Lt D Harris?
And now they make his a captain.
LMFAO.
Col Hanibal Smith
A-TEAM
Every one involved in this job is starting to sound like a moron. Stop looking for a logical way to fight crime. There is no logic in the behavior of those who act upon instinct, emotion, and vengeance. So to put it bluntly, stop looking for logic where there is none. As much as I dislike Rahm he was on Chicago Tonight WTTW 11. He said it best. Don't blame the police for crime, blame the gang-bangers and guns. We (The Police) are NOT perfect as a group, but without us society is screwed. Take the shittiest un-populated state build a super prison and put these murderers, shooters and gun offenders away for good. I am the product of a divorced family, an abusive drunk father, and lived on welfare. I decided there is a better way of life. I followed that path. I have no mercy in my heart for criminals or those who refuse to make a better life for themselves.
Just hit the RESET button on all of G Macs policies.
This bid for day off groups is a fukin joke, furlo has been picked already, plans made. Why is the 012th dist the only district doing it now, is it because commander BOBBLE head wants to impress someone??? Also why is he always on the radio?? Bobble Head needs to shut the fuk up and let the district run, he does not need to get involved in everything that goes on!!!! Half the time he has no clue anyway and just sounds stupid ( well he is).
Well maybe if we had good unit rep who only worries about leaving early and not working weekends. Or maybe if the watch reps would stand up for us and not let this stuff happen. Someone needs to help us here. 12 has been falling part for years. With the special people being taken care hand over fist. Us as a district need to vote to get the watch reps and unit reps out.
Bring back all the good officers you ran off the department.
OT -- Today's dispatch from Stockholm --
"Last week, Swedish police warned that Stockholm's main train station has become unsafe after being ‘taken over’ by dozens of Moroccan street 'children.'
"The all-male migrant teen gangs are spreading terror in the centre of the Swedish capital, stealing, groping girls and assaulting security guards, according to Stockholm police.
"Members of the gangs...roam central Stockholm day and night, refusing help provided by the Swedish authorities."
So a group of citizens cleaned the station out last night - after handing out the following pamphlets.
"Enough now.
"All over the country, reports are pouring in that the police can no longer cope with preventing and investigating the crimes which strike the Swedish people.
"In some cases, for example, in the latest murder of a woman employed at a home for so called ‘unaccompanied minor refugees’ in Molndal, it goes as far as the National Police Commissioner choosing to show more sympathy for the perpetrator than the victim.
"But we refuse to accept the repeated assaults and harassment against Swedish women.
"We refuse to accept the destruction of our once-safe society. When our political leadership and police show more sympathy for murderers than for their victims, there are no longer any excuses to let it happen without protest.
"When Swedish streets are no longer safe to walk on for normal Swedes, it is our DUTY to fix the problem.
"This is why, today, 200 Swedish men gathered to take a stand against the north African ‘street children’ who are running rampage in and around the capital’s central station.
"Police have clearly showed that they lack the means to stop their progress and we see no other way than to hand down the punishment they deserve ourselves.
"The justice system has walked out and the contract of society is therefore broken – it is now every Swedish man’s duty to defend our public spaces against the imported criminality.'
"Those who gathered today are neither your politician, your journalist or your policeman. We are your father, your brother, your husband, your colleague, your friend and your neighbour.
"Swedish men and women deserve safety in their everyday life and we are therefore calling on all others who also see the problem to follow in our footsteps, both in Stockholm and in other places around the country.
"For a better future together."
Good get rid of all the shit that fuck up did. Fucked this department up beyond repair. It will never be the same.
Assigning detectives to a district would be more efficient , cut back on commanders and lts and inside house cats . Have civilians serve as review and case management officers working from the public safety building .
9:11 am agree CAPTAINS SHOULD NOT BE ASSIGNED AS INSPECTORS .
Sergeants should be assigned as inspectors and work out of an area , no take home cars . Sergeants now supervise a watch and should be assigned as inspectors .
City could eliminate the inspections division , use sergeants assigned to an area in marked squad cars , supervised by a captain .
City would save money in salary and cars would be used 24/7 .
"IAD is being beefed up to a respectable 60 sergeants."
1/30/2016 05:17:00 AM
More boots on the street to combat violent crime. Great.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They want to fix everything McCarthy did. Turns out Rahm gave McCarthy carte blanche. Guess all of us thinking McCarthy was Rahms puppet wasnt true.
1/30/2016 01:59:00 AM
Believe whatever you want.
Carte blanche? Never.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
(OT) so go to get coffee at store front page of Sunday scumtimes headline 3 of koschman coppers are retired 3 more retiring! why is walsh the connected lt still on the job? the guy who hid papers for the daley felon? Are the feds finally looking into this tragedy? Lets see vanko/daley got what over 60 million of our pension money "poof" lost all of it they are not in jail for this, and who at our pension board took "our money" and freely gave these millions away? was their a bank handed deal for who gave away our money? to think daley kills this kid (I know it was a punch) flees the scene gets what 6 months and you could be sure he was not eating prison food probably catered in, exceptionally clean quarters! A copper does anything and he/she gets thrown in deep, no life preservers thrown but connected your given royalty treatment!
Sorry Mrs. Koschman about your son,and sorry they sprinkled you with petty cash as they give away millions to thugs and criminals!! God bless CPD!
1/30/2016 08:06:00 AM
Daley engineered pension theft vaneko hit the kid and killed him same blood line can understand the confusion!
OT what a piece of shit article in the tribune today. more police bashing to come. Hey tribune hacks, why don't you investigate your sources before you spew your shit.
Back in my day...just kidding, I won't bore you with that shit.
It's fucking bullshit that they pull this one month into the new year. However, having a 3 man rotation on a Beat car isn't all that bad, IF you get the RIGHT 3rd man.
OT: I'm not in law enforcement, but I've been a fan of SCC for a few years now.
This afternoon I was in a hobby shop in the northern area of Illinois looking for models and books when I heard two men in their 30s talking shop. No problem; everyone does it, right?
These were 2 police officers talking, one from Chicago, the other from a northern suburb. They were discussing the drug problem in their respective areas, in a normal speaking voice. Everyone in the store, including the people playing games of Warhammer 40K, and Magic: The Gathering could hear them talking about such things as landlords under investigation, cars bringing drugs into an area, areas of colleges and universities where there is a lot of drug activity. Both were giving names and other info that the baddies might find interesting. I'm not sure that saying in public that "We only need two more ...sales and then we can arrest Mr. Interstellar Asimov on XXX charges." is really such a good idea...
SCC, these guys were yakking it up for about 10 minutes, and they kept saying things such as "I really shouldn't be telling you this" or "Keep this under your hat"...
I'm being deliberately vague because I don't want to get anyone in trouble, but I was quite shocked at some of the things I heard. Not the language; I did a stint in the USAF many years ago, and I have held DoD clearances in the past. A little caution, please.
Relax . You revert back to your old day off group for furlough.
DSS ! What a disaster that is . LT. Doesn't approve probable cause. ? That's a disaster waiting to happen. Old system was good. 2 sets of eyes looking at paperwork .
The merge has been a mistake and the pilot program was a disaster. The citizens also paid the price for this too.
16th district 4 robberies in 2 hours and thugs are black and Hispanic hey johnny how about sending police over here taxpayers need help SOS!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-north-northwest-side-robbers-20160130-story.html
now that Lts are being interviewed for merit, the very few that get picked; what happens to the rest of the merit, do the get put into a pool or do they get only one chance.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
OT: I'm not in law enforcement, but I've been a fan of SCC for a few years now.
This afternoon I was in a hobby shop in the northern area of Illinois looking for models and books when I heard two men in their 30s talking shop. No problem; everyone does it, right?
These were 2 police officers talking, one from Chicago, the other from a northern suburb. They were discussing the drug problem in their respective areas, in a normal speaking voice. Everyone in the store, including the people playing games of Warhammer 40K, and Magic: The Gathering could hear them talking about such things as landlords under investigation, cars bringing drugs into an area, areas of colleges and universities where there is a lot of drug activity. Both were giving names and other info that the baddies might find interesting. I'm not sure that saying in public that "We only need two more ...sales and then we can arrest Mr. Interstellar Asimov on XXX charges." is really such a good idea...
SCC, these guys were yakking it up for about 10 minutes, and they kept saying things such as "I really shouldn't be telling you this" or "Keep this under your hat"...
I'm being deliberately vague because I don't want to get anyone in trouble, but I was quite shocked at some of the things I heard. Not the language; I did a stint in the USAF many years ago, and I have held DoD clearances in the past. A little caution, please.
1/30/2016 06:34:00 PM
From your description, I know exactly where you were.
Thank you, sincerely, for not naming names. Hopefully, the two blowhard goofs will get the word in short order and learn the lesson of keeping private business private.
Thanks for being a decent guy.
OCIC= On call incident commander
You're correct, the only problem is that those things are yours to schedule around your job. You have the handout mentality, that everyone and everything, including your employer and your co-workers should accommodate your wants, needs and whims. If you have a family EMERGENCY, I'm sure your needs would be considered and accommodated if possible. The fact that you have a side job, or that you schedule your doctor appointments while you should be working or have to work, etc., and the fact that you can't organize your childcare like nearly 2/3rds of the Department employees have to do is your issue and not your supervisor's issue to work out for you. They don't need to let you take off, come in late or leave early, and you probably expect them to do it all without a slip too. Again, things come up, and we've all been accommodated if stuff occasionally happens, but once and a while often turns into a routine and the rest of us get stuck picking up your slack, or get our time denied because you need something again. Your not as special as you think, no one is here to accommodate your life, this is your job. If it doesn't work for you and your lifestyle, or the preferences you have in life then quit and open up the spot for someone else. Wake up, the world really doesn't revolve around you, or your family alone. Really? Special employment, side jobs and soccer games? Really? Find a trusted babysitter and schedule your doctor appoints on your time like the rest of us do. That's not what family first means jackass. Your feelings? Probably the dumbest statement you made!
1/30/2016 12:49:00 PM
Thank you. Dead on.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This bid for day off groups is a fukin joke, furlo has been picked already, plans made. Why is the 012th dist the only district doing it now, is it because commander BOBBLE head wants to impress someone??? Also why is he always on the radio?? Bobble Head needs to shut the fuk up and let the district run, he does not need to get involved in everything that goes on!!!! Half the time he has no clue anyway and just sounds stupid ( well he is).
1/30/2016 03:11:00 PM
24th district is still on it.
Bureau of Forestry, Bureau of Sanitation, Bureau of Street Operations. When did you guys join Streets & San?
Loose lips sink ships !!
For my money, Area 5 violent crimes had the best crew. They were approachable, helpful, knowledgeable. I hope they come back. Det JF and SF were rock stars!
Really old timer recalls the 3 man beat car .... Nice knowing when your partner was gone you had a reliable fill in (however we had say in who that was). Really worked out well
The decision to put detectives in the districts is a disaster, at least in 004. Det. S.R. comes late, leaves early, goes shopping on duty, and spends a lot of time sitting in the 004 garage area, playing on her phone and chain smoking. And when a job comes in, she tells the arresting officers to wait a few hours and then call the area, so that a detective on afternoons can handle the job, because she has "something to do, and [she] has to go home on time," which is ALWAYS several hours before her "10 hour tour" really ends. And why wasn't she ever disciplined for ignoring those DNA matches and AFIS hits? The truth may hurt, but this IS the truth.
Ok, I'll Bite...
What does 025 have to worry about Harris about?
1/30/2016 03:11:00 PM
It's bubble head whiner
12/13 ....day off groups picked by seniority??? LMAO! Stop the madness. I wish I could wake up from this nightmare and be told this failed experiment of the merger is over!!!!!!
Bring back rotating watch schedule city-wide and watch parties! Those were the good ole days.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The 5th is a mess now with squad policing. The Commander has assigned the 506 team to DOG 77 therefore there are no officers working beat cars on most 77 work days. KJ has 7 tac teams now in 005. Four regular, a Robbery team, and an 06 team on both watches. This includes 30 officers and 3 sergeants. Time due has already been denied so the 06 teams can be manned. The captain that left, changed the whole 10 hour schedule by starting the manpower in the squads at the 3 roll call start times. So in other words the squads do not all start work at the same roll call. KJ is an example of someone being promoted beyond his competency. Unfortunately, this has been the trend on this job for too many years. Patrol is being run by all the cloutorious-scholarship recipiants that have not worked patrol in years if not decades.
1/30/2016 10:53:00 AM
I totally agree that 5th is fucked up. Outdoor roll call was a joke. You talk like you're motivating the throops but you're not to be trusted cause everyone knows you're phoney and full of shit.
How about you put Quincy and Piper in a beat car and let them them do some real police work. It's much needed and you wouldn't need body guards if you stop shitting all over everyone
Loser
Say what you will about the unit rep in 12 she is useless . But the 3rd watch should be the unit rep. Commander is trying to stop this squad program at least he is trying unlike the last one.
To the old retried salty Desk Sgt....... I'm glad your gone, your were a goof then and your a goof now. Take your medication and take your nap, you sound delirious. Me? I'm just a Sergeant for 18 yrs and I know there is no prefessionalism on this department because it has been removed due to pure politics. Over 95% of the so called command staff never passed a promotional exam, they r truly political appointees, and they have no loyalty except to themselves. You should keep your pie hole shut, becaue by opening your mouth u have removed all doubt of your ineptness......oh and to the officers out there, " Stay fetal my friends"..........it's your only chance of surviving this debacle of a department.
Let's not forget Steve "Fire Marshall bill, screaming skull" Peterson who let his genetic footprint with all his incompetent merit promotions. A big thank you
now that Lts are being interviewed for merit, the very few that get picked; what happens to the rest of the merit, do the get put into a pool or do they get only one chance.
1/31/2016 12:05:00 AM
Should have studied harder and you wouldn't have to worry about it. Hopefully the Feds kill the merit process and there are rumours that it's going to happen.
Silly cop. Don't you know that the liberals and commies are trying to evenly distribute crime, not police. They want nice neighborhoods to turn into shitholes, and the shitholes to stay shitholes. That way every one is the same and equality has been achieved. This is what diversity looks like.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
9:11 am agree CAPTAINS SHOULD NOT BE ASSIGNED AS INSPECTORS .
Sergeants should be assigned as inspectors and work out of an area , no take home cars . Sergeants now supervise a watch and should be assigned as inspectors .
City could eliminate the inspections division , use sergeants assigned to an area in marked squad cars , supervised by a captain .
City would save money in salary and cars would be used 24/7 .
1/30/2016 04:52:00 PM
Reverse that a bit. Supervised by Lieutenants and eliminate the unnessary Captainst.
Otherwise I agree.
Lot of upset folks on here. Listen, just relax. 1st and the 16th! Make sure your contractual rights aren't violated and just answer jobs. It is so easy. Leave the department to the clout babies and relax.
Anonymous said...
DSS ! What a disaster that is . LT. Doesn't approve probable cause. ? That's a disaster waiting to happen. Old system was good. 2 sets of eyes looking at paperwork .
1/30/2016 07:28:00 PM
Right ... detectives, sergeants, lieutenants, commanders and the OCIC looked at the paperwork on the McDonald shooting. How'd that work out?
Anonymous said...
Bring back rotating watch schedule city-wide and watch parties! Those were the good ole days.
1/31/2016 10:20:00 AM
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G-d but I hated midnights but you are right. No better way to get to know your district and other officers who were on steady watches. Let's not forget about the watch parties back then that SCC won't let me share stories about on this site.
Anonymous said...
Really old timer recalls the 3 man beat car .... Nice knowing when your partner was gone you had a reliable fill in (however we had say in who that was). Really worked out well
1/31/2016 06:42:00 AM
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I agree 100%.
Suck it Up Cupcakes. Most of you voted for these Democrat Communists who now lead you and your Department, so like Nancy Pelosi said, just learn to "Embrace the Suck".
Anonymous Anonymous said...
9:11 am agree CAPTAINS SHOULD NOT BE ASSIGNED AS INSPECTORS .
Sergeants should be assigned as inspectors and work out of an area , no take home cars . Sergeants now supervise a watch and should be assigned as inspectors .
City could eliminate the inspections division , use sergeants assigned to an area in marked squad cars , supervised by a captain .
City would save money in salary and cars
would be used 24/7 .
CONTRACTUAL ISSUE-ITS IN CAPTAINS CONTRACT- CITY AGREED TO IT?
Females with pony tails , goatee beards , shaggy beards . All on camera for the world to see . The only ones that look good are the white shirts , why is that ? Lack of discipline. Does Chicago still have Inspectors ?
1/30/2016 01:25:00 PM
Those Females with pony tails , goatee beards , shaggy beards are scary.
I hope they end the squad program in 003. The start times are awful and leaves only 3 cars to handle the district.
"The decision to put detectives in the districts is a disaster, at least in 004. Det. S.R. comes late, leaves early, goes shopping on duty, and spends a lot of time sitting in the 004 garage area, playing on her phone and chain smoking. And when a job comes in, she tells the arresting officers to wait a few hours and then call the area, so that a detective on afternoons can handle the job, because she has "something to do, and [she] has to go home on time," which is ALWAYS several hours before her "10 hour tour" really ends."
Newsflash this scenario is being played out Citywide. and the demographic is pretty much spot on.
Commander KJ is a Moran. Can anyone agree with me that he thinks he's a PO with rank who walks around with a 2- man man tact team that he drives around every day. Give me a fucking break. It's time for him to move on and he should have left with Captain Pigott the other Moran. It's time for new leadership in 005th district.
Ever look around and wonder why 5 is a revolving door?
Those that know the BS that KJ is pulling leaves the district and those that are a part of the BS stays and sucks up.
So glad I'm leaving to where the leadership and loyalty is worthy
Kevin Johnson fucked over Glen Evans and was instrumental in the BS so he could advance in his career.
Don't trust him he's a piece of shit
I totally agree with the above message
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