Interesting Theory
- Chicago’s interim police superintendent John Escalante is struggling to explain the wild jump in shootings in the Windy City, and he thinks he has at least part of the explanation: it’s social media’s fault.
At a Wednesday presser, interim Chicago police superintendent Escalante blamed the “spike” in shootings on the fact that many of the city’s gang members are driven by constant agitation on social media sites such as Facebook.
“A lot of it is gang conflicts, but [it’s] also heavily driven by social media,” Escalante said, “It is the new way… of taunting and challenging other gangs, and is the modern way of gang graffiti.”
Escalante isn’t the only local official to blame Facebook. Last May Alderman Joe Moore also blamed the increased number of shootings on the concurrent increase in “taunts and insults” on Facebook.
Couldn't be anything else, right?
- But while this social media claim might satisfy some, others feel that it is the fault of changes in policy inside the Chicago Police Department.
Chicago’s DNAInfo reports that there has been a major drop in the number of investigative stops in the city — and not just a small drop, either.
“In the first 11 days of the year,” DNAinfo writes, “officers filed just 3,916 investigative stop reports compared to 16,698 during the same time period last year, according to police data.”
Oh yeah.....there's that.
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"[it’s] also heavily driven by social media,” Escalante said, “It is the new way… of taunting and challenging other gangs, and is the modern way of gang graffiti.” -- Acting Supt. John Escalante
The man has a valid point here. We all know of shootings that have occurred from "social media" woofin. This is what happens when extremely advanced technology and worldwide connectivity with a dumbed-down interface are placed in the hands of -- well, idiots.
Won't go near it myself. The entire world does not need access to pics of me wiping out the kitchen cabinets or something. I want someone, I give 'em a call. Sometimes the call just says "I'll be over in 1/2 hour." Sometimes I just show up around the right time and knock -- no call, no nothing.
What strikes me most about the whole thing is the unbelievable narcissism. Guy posting pics of his latest attempt at washboard abs, and he's not looking at you, but at that lousy camerathing. In love with his image...
I do like it, though, when criminals post evidence for us. By all means, keep it up. CPD should hand out free "selfie sticks" so they can get themselves, the weapon, the body, etc. all in the frame real nice.
They can't handle anything in life without resorting to violence. Why should social media be different? And the blame on less contacts is what the ACLU wanted, and have stated they are happy with. Blame them.
And hey, hey. Let's stay fetal out there.
3916? Are you fucking kidding me, you suck ass po's better wake up!!! How about stay in Your car? Some idiots never learn...
Kind of off topic..... Maybe escalante for supt maybe not but if Ernie Brown gets it a lot of his old girlfriends are still on the job in nice spots and units....
Sounds about right, didn't Hilary CLinton blame Benghazi on some internet video? why address the issue when you can just blame internet videos/facebook, etc...
So,Facebook and instagram started in January 2016?
Hey media.. Just so we are clear and there is no more conversation or confusion crime is up because we aren't stopping people, locking people up and pretty much not caring. I still stop and talk to some of the thugs, even though I don't leave my car and just b.s with them instead of investigate crimes and they even know they aren't getting stopped as much and can get away lately with having a pistol on them regularly... It's going to continue. We are done stopping people. We can do nothing for you anymore Chicago. The 3000 contact cards seem a little high to me... I'm guessing many of them are "safe" contacts... Meaning a copper knows it's an easy contact card of a person from a 911 call or some other interaction other than a street stop or traffic stop... I'm also willing to bet more than a few are fake names just for the VRI numbers next month
They been using social media for at least 9 years low
Don't worry though, the new training on those ISR s should clear that all up..
The Machine's endorsement for Kim Foxx as CC State's Attorney is not good for us. Foxx is Toni "too many black and brown people in jail" Preckwinkle's pick. All you coppers saying Rham and Anita Alvarez need to go think about this: in the current climate, their replacements will be whoever the most liberal-on-crime, anti-police candidate is that the Machine picks to replace them. Our city will continue to go down the shitter as the fantasy that minorities are only the majority in jail because the police are racist will continue to be perpetuated from the highest levels. With Foxx and Preckwinkle grabbing power in the Van Dyke fallout, say hello to California style drug laws (PCS heroin and cocaine will become misdemeanors) as our new elected officials pretend nothing is wrong in the black community and the police are the source of all problems. Not that I give a shit about dead gangbangers but I still have to live here another decade and robberies are getting out of control in my formally safe neighborhood. The next wave of inevitable soft-on-crime politicians are going to exacerbate the problem.
In all honesty.... This summer is going to be a complete blood bath.
If the numbers on proactive policing remain this low which I don't see any reason why it shouldn't we should be looking at over 500 homicides on the low end.
Brothers and Sisters ... It's working!!! and the bosses are noticing.
Keep up the (lack of) good work!!!
Stay safe and fertal and stay out of the ACLU's radar
The police department that the LEFT/media have been clamoring for is here to stay. So, they better get use to the high body count. Nothing says you have to stop and challenge people as to their activity unless one has articulable suspicion. If AS isn't there, then there is no stop. Terry Stops that were once used to combat crime by being proactive will now be a tool of the past.
Michigan will be going up for grabs and tourism will suffer also, once the tourists find out they are now red meat for the roving thugs.
Welcome to Hell Chicago, enjoy your stay.
The fact that almost 4000 times police have taken it upon themselves to initiate an investigative stop, thereby necessitating an ISR, and then completing one, in this day in age, knowing the climate they're in, is sickening. That number is frighteningly high.
It is all a great mystery that only our glorious leader in DC understands.
Everyone is throwing around all of these numbers...
Increase in shootings
Increase in homicides
Decrease in arrests
Decrease in street stops...
No one has yet to toss out THE IMPORTANT NUMBER:
Where does the CPD stand on Log Numbers / CR Numbers from 01 Jan till today versus the same time period last year.
It's got to be a lot less! Let's use those numbers! Hey, it's the new CPD! We're less brutal than we were last year! Anyone from IPRA on our side? That information has got to be public domain, right?
Remember: No contact = No complaint!
If he had only kept his mouth shut, DeEscalante could seem intelligent, but...
Help out here...just who was it who wanted to give free Wi-Fi to the whole city?
DeEscalante has lost this department.
The powers that be are scared out of their minds
because aside from beating on the Police, they have
no answers with which to solve Chicago's tribal zones with.
Taking it to The Police" will not elicit the retaliation
that a zero tolerance crack-down in Chicago's tribal zones would.
The orchestra of Fuckery is badly out of tune.
Pass it on...
CPD new motto:Foetus Manere (stay fetal)! Simple as that! Give it a year and the public will be begging the city to let us do our job!
Society gets the police and policies they want. The politicians in Springfield and ACLU want fewer stops of individuals fitting suspicious criteria, or stops that only meet extremely high criteria for "suspicious" individuals, so that is what is happening.
This goes beyond BLM, being "fetal", or any of the other stuff. This is a direct byproduct of political policies being implemented and forced upon police. Cause and effect. Very simple. If you tie someone's hand behind their back, it become far more difficult for them to do their job.
Not exactly shocking.
I would keep bring up the numbers like we aren't working. It's cold and know one is out ;)
Wow de-escalante is an idiot. Seriously there will be 800 murders this year, 4000 shootings, and half the guns this year then last year and these idiots still won't get it, bc everybody preaches responsibility on the liberal side but nobody over there accepts responsibility, just like people in the "community" this spike in violence is because of the ACLU and the liberal courts letting criminals off the hook, its not the weather or social media it's the people that know morning about law enforcement having a huge say in things, everybody on this blog has been saying it for weeks, that rediculous ISR form mandated by the aclu is the reason crime will blow up, but unlike what they preach, those people will never accept responsibility for this
Officer wins lawsuit against his employer:
http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/64479006-Ohio-cop-gets-30K-from-suit-over-transfer-after-critical-article-of-department
He is in over his head... He better run soon; he is the next scapegoat..
I have an idea on how to completely stop the violence in the ghetto...
Stop most stop and frisks..
Make any stop and frisk applicable to a lawsuit...
March downtown chanting Black lives matter....
Make the police work on more reports if they find anyone to be suspicious that they might stop on the streets to explain why they would stop them...
Raise the age for juvenile offenders from 17 to 18
Let more felons out of prison early..
Don't blame the communities for the rabid people they are raising..
Pour more money into the ghetto communities...
Show videos of any instance where police might have done wrong...
Have police monitored with gps..body cams...dashboard cams...
Give more money to anyone bearing children without any fathers.. to raise them..
Have the Mayor bow down to the reverends who have come up with absolutely nothing to help stave the shootings..
Write in the press everyday about how to get any officer fired for any grey area..
Give millions to lawsuits without even reviewing all the cases.. Even if they were truly guilty...because of the way the police handled the situation...
Just a few suggestions that might help!!!
Thought of a couple more ways to end the violence...
Allow protesters to get within inches of an officers face..and blow a whistle..or yell with a megaphone..
Don't charge anyone with battery to a police officer unless a significant injury occurs..
Don't demand any respect to any police officers..
Allow any person the right to freedom of speech even if it is demeaning ...Example "FUCK THE POLICE" to their faces...
Have judges allow people in the courts to say FUCK THE JUDGE.. Why do judges demand respect..it is freedom of speech..
Surprised there are any stops. Then you have to give these clowns a receipt for the report you just filled out. Save yourself a lawsuit and just keep driving. Proactive policing was signed away by the city. Now the bad guys can roam freely looking for fresh victims and not ever worry about getting stopped. So happy I am retired and living far away from Chicago. I pray every day for all of you still working the streets.
Social media is a fraction of the problem. DNA info, the media, politicians and aclu are the REAL reason why shootings are up. Beat us long enough and eventually you'll get what you want. This is the Police Department YOU DEMANDED. Now that the criminals have the upper hand and are using it to their benefit. These organizations in power are starting to realize that they shit the bed. Just remember, it's only January, you ain't seen nothing yet!
Who the f*******ck did those almost 4,000 stops? People, have your heads examined.
Think about this--since there are fewer stops being conducted, ACLU will have plenty of time to scrutinize the lower number of ISR's.
And if you think you covered yourself with great narratives, think again. Just because it makes sense to you doesn't mean it will to them.
If you are doing these stops, make sure everything you own is in a trust.
Good Lord, do you people need more of a smack in the face?
The bosses ARE USING YOU--don't listen to the pep talks for Christ's saie!
Yes, the Facebook theory makes sense, because we all know it was just invented around the first of the year.
Dumb f*ck Deescalante.
I really don't think I could sell my soul like that to be the supe. In fact I KNOW I couldn't. I'd rather retire than live a charade.
No, the problem stems from decades of entitlement programs which allow certain segments of society to live lives that require no responsibility to take care of their families, remain gainfully employed and contribute to the society that the rest of us live in. Some refuse to live a moral and law abiding lifestyle, because they somehow feel they are "entitled". This type of existence is then glorified by movies and music and then justified by the revrends and politicians. When those who live that lifestyle are challenged, they quickly cry "racism" and the media come to their rescue. We need strong leaders who will say "enough", and stop the entiitlements which are dragging this country down. If the #BlackLivesMatter movement has such an important role in our society, why are they not protesting the wholesale slaughter of Blacks and Browns by other Blacks and Browns. The number of shootings by Police Officers pale in comparison to the number of shootings and murders which are perpetrated by offenders of color. And yes, most of the shootings and murders which occur in Chicago, are perpetrated by armed offenders against unarmed victims. Where are the clergy and the politicians to protest this behavior. Oh, I know; they don't want to call out their own for being the root cause of societies ills. Come now Supt. Escalante, if you want to be a true leader in this city, why not be the first to publicly tell the truth. You have been around long enough to have seen what we have all seen, now use your position to state the facts.
To summarize the problem for the public and those few in the media who Have the courage to face the truth: Crime is on the ris because officers are stopping far fewer criminals. The first reason that officers are stopping far fewer criminals is the obvious lych mob mentality of the politicians, media, and "community" towards the police. Any street stop/traffic stop can turn violent or deadly in a fraction of a second and require the use of deadly force. Officers KNOW that they will be crucified in the media, sued by the family, and if opportunity exists, prosecuted by state or federal authorities for any perceived errors. The secondary reason that the police are stopping fewer criminals is the ISR. The ISR is a 2 page form that must be carefully completed by any officer who stops a person for any investigation. Trainers estimate the time to complete each ISR at approximately 30-45 minutes. That turns a 5 minute street stop of 2 people into a 1-1.5 hour ordeal. Real world example: A woman was just robbed of her purse at gunpoint by 2 offenders. Responding officers give a description of the 2 offenders. You observe 2 people matching the description of the people who committed the armed robbery. You stop 2 individuals who match the description and very quickly realize that they were not involved. You are now required to complete 1-1.5 hours of paperwork to document the stop and are therefore unable to continue to look for the offenders.
Additionally, officers are hestitant to complete the ISR because it is entered into a database that is designed primarily for the ACLU. The ACLU is perceived by many police officers to be a litigious anti-police organization. Officers don't want to be subjected to lawsuits for supposed civil rights violations when mistakes are made or words are twisted. The department has also made it clear to officers that any officers making mistakes on the ISR will be subject to department discipline.
stay fetal. stay safe. go home safe to your families. this guy is in denial. they are backpedaling with every 'reason for the high crime rate' with these ridiculous stories. It will get worse if they keep restricting officers with their ACLU baloney, paperwork, disrespect for officers making discretionary decisions. Stay fetal. they can't have it both ways, when you throw dedicated decent officers under the bus and then wonder why the crime rate is rising in minus degree weather.
Your families are more important than what the ACLU wants.
Mother of an officer here. He's a good guy. The majority of citizens in this country respect the CPD. Hold that close. I want my grandchild to have a father coming home every day.
stay fetal. I left Chicago and won't return except to see my grandchild. In the meantime, stay down. It isn't worth your life on the line with such corrupt officials.
You wanted it you Fucken Asshole Alderman and Super Jagoff 9.5. Becareful what you wish for Assholes, Because were going to give to you , just what you wanted !Free pasage in the Getto.
Stay Fetal my friends
Stay Fetal. Stay Safe.
Combination of both.
I could offer a simpler explanation;anyone who touches the subject that is non black will be considered a racist, but after all the services and money that has been thrown at the black community from the beginning of time and add white guilt to it, black people know that self respect, respect for others, adhering to the law like the rest of us do, and all that money still coming in when no one calls them out, why should I change my behavior. Tony prickwinkle, jj, and all the other store front revs will come to my aid and call all ya racists if you try to change me. So keep the money flowing, and when it runs out, I'll just Rob you and you'll never catch me because you're too scared to put out my description.
He is now a part of the elite idiot club. 90% of the white shirts are totally and completely fucking clueless.
It is what it is. Coppers ain't doing shit nomore. I am currently IOD but you might as well keep me IOD because when I am back you will see my numbers looking like I was off. ZEROS. Anyone in their right mind is crazy for doing shit. Let's face it guys, we all know that NOBODY gets promoted by merit around here. NOBODY. When is the last time you saw someone actually get promoted to SGT because of what they did? Seriously. Can anyone name anyone who really got it from a great career as a P.O.? Sure, maybe there were a few sparse promotions here and there but nowadays if you think getting that guy with a gun a chasing him down is going to win you that SGT spot? Guess again. There is zero incentive to do anything over that code jobs and come to work on time.
An element of truth: while social media does not cause
gang fights it does help accelerate violence.How do you think Flash Mobs
are organized ?
OT ~ RIP to the Utah officer and Ohio officer that were shot & killed in separate incidents....
Everyone has got to get it through their heads.... IT'S CLIMATE CHANGE!
With the graffic, violent, video games like "Grand theft Auto" perhaps many are hardened by playing them. Maybe they graduate to trying real killing?
Heyjackass needs to have a Granny total, how many Granny's caught one just by being there. Nobody cares about dude.
LOL, exactly SCC.
They point to Facebook as a "new" way, as if the ghetto kids didn't have an "old" way that still exists, like school or the streets.
BLM and the Democrats deserve what's happening and coming here. Let Eric Holder put on a uniform.
"Driven by social media"? How does a cell phone "drive" you to do anything?
I love their use of passivity. "Victim of the mean streets". He fell in with a bad crowd".
Hell, if the streets in South Chicago are so "mean", why not rip them up and pave them with the nice, friendly asphalt they use in Naperville?
Maybe the city council could hold a special meeting and vote to ban social media web sites in the city. If they can't do that I am sure they will try to tax the shit out of them. The only problem would be that the people using social media to gangbang wouldn't pay the tax, so it would be passed onto the working class who us social media to reconnect with friends from their past. Jesus .... that sounds like every other tax this city council imposes. Pass it onto the working class that are forced to live in this shithole city.
Make 2016 the year of the fetal cop.
After reading all the shit you guys take from ghetto dwellers is it any surprise that the kids are even worse than the adults? Teens in any area can be assholes, but with "leadership" like the ghetto kids are getting its no wonder. Pretty sad as even the good ones will have major trouble swimming out of that shit hole. Just read a review of NYC liberal who quit job to teach high school in the ghetto. He lasted a year and wrote a book in all the shit he had to put up with. Yet he national media continues the myth that police are the problem.
There is truth behind the social media theory. I can't tell you how many times i've heard the excuse for their actions because "Nay-Nay called me a "B" on facebook". Every other word out of their mouth is a curse word but for some reason they have a problem saying bitch.
Too Bad. 1st Amendment Rights. Freedom of Speech. Another Commie Police Department Leader towing the totalitarian commie line for his puppetmasters. Quit making excuses and blaming others for your incompetence , and do your job.
There is no doubt that social media plays a part in conflict in this city ; facebook and snapchat . But, not to the extent that the current superintendent claims that it does. With the violent start to 2016, the low morale of the police officers, the really stupid law on street stops, I fear for what will happen in this city, and really every city in Illinois, when the weather warms . Peoria, Rockford, East St. Louis, Joliet, Aurora . How did that stupid law get passed in Springfield so fast ? It seems the unions just laid down and said and did nothing. Where was Madigan ?( oh, yes, counting his money)
Ban Facebook!
Stay fetal.
Problem solved.
They're actually not wrong about social media, to include both Facebook and Twitter.
How difficult would it be to track down the thugs posing with their cash flashing, hashish pipes, and illegal weapons? Thugs on both sites openly call for killing, and Facebook and Twitter's response is silence. But post anything slightly politically incorrect and whoosh!, it's gone.
Both social media sites support chaos, through thugs, gangs, ISIS, name it. IF anyone was truly interested in attempting to curtail the obvious problems with social media, these accounts would be investigated and then shut down. Their purpose IS to incite and facilitate chaos.
The other issue you raise, is of course, demonstrably valid, but don't diminish the issue social media plays with the very dangerous individuals and groups who use it.
It's the media and ACLU's fault
The media for creating a fake widespread corruption scandal that a) makes officers afraid of making mistake less they get indicted or have their photo published (even when not charged). b) this has the wanted effect of having an increase in crime and shootings which is also a good story that sells papers.
The ACLU who killed proactive policing and are proud of it regardless of the aftermath.
Remember NEVER talk to the media or do an interview! If you do something good and the Dept wants to put you in front of media say no thanks that's the footage they will use against you like they did to the kid with the accidental shooting.
Also nothing is ever totally off the record so just refer them to news affairs...ALWAYS
They were inside of the credit union? Did anyone, such as the manager tell them to leave pending contact with the police? And when they did not leave, were they arrested for CTTL? I'm guessing there were police on the scene. No arrests? Why not? New policy in place whereby people engaging in criminal activity in the presence of the police face no sanction? Hey LEADERS, SERVERS AND PROTECTORS OF THE PUBLIC where the fuck were you? The CPD that I served and loved is dead. There are no balls at any level. Shameful, simply shameful.
Ret. Sgt.
Yes Mr. Escalate, the main role of social media in the "oppressed community" is not to insult each other but insult the CPD. "Police ain't doing sheet - dey be fetal!" John, please realize that you won't be the next Supt. unless you use black face paint while being Mr. Six.
http://twitchy.com/2016/01/18/hillary-calls-for-resignation-of-michigan-governor-but-crickets-when-it-comes-to-this-pol/
Ram?
hopefully mainstream media will push escalante for proof that social media "taunting" is a pervasive and persuasive factor in gang violence.....what did he base his statement on?.. victim/offender/witness statements?...gossip?....teen magazine advice columns?,,,other cities theories?...
Obamaphones !
ABCD
ABCD) (Ret)
Um, yeah, deflecting and dancing around the real reason again. These cuckold bosses should just stop having press conferences if they are going to spew nonsense and garbage.
They will twist and contort to avoid saying what everyone already knows, the real reasons why certain parts of Chicago inhabited by a majority democratic demographic are bloodier than mother f*cking Baghdad or Kabul.
These police brass look as ridiculous as poor hapless Dave Wannstedt in his half hour show after each Bears game, trying to answer yet again what went wrong for the team that day.
Yeah, Facebook, which I have no love for mind you because I am not nor do I act like a 13-year-old, is the problem...
Riiiiiight...
They're gonna set up a new unit downtown, they're just gonna read da computer screens all day, looking for people talking shit on this Facebook thing. Straight days, weekends off. There's gonna be a commander, 2 lieutenants, a few sarges, and 50 coppers. Yeah, I know the districts are bitching they're short, no rapids. I don't care, I gotta get my people in this new unit.
We gotta put out one of dem administrative messages, you know, asking for resumes and shit, to make it look good, but don't worry you're in. I got a phone dials direct to the fifth floor City Hall.
Escalante and his cape crusader Russell(cos) will be gone soon..
Off topic..... The new supt must not be picked by the mayor if you want a free reign on managing this dept.
The mayor is tainted.......so will the new supt.
Have the new supt picked by citizens that will not have a hand in day to day operations.
We all know that Tom Skilling is to blame.
I want to know who the chumps are that churned out 3,916 of those atrocities in just 11 days.
Fools, one and all.
Keep sticking your neck out for an ungrateful public and a department and city standing at the ready to stick it up your ass and break it off to appease their federal overseers.
Article : Every Chicago cop would get a Taser under black ald. plan by sun times, Dean fired away some good lines at the reporter. About time !!!
Ummmm. This is a law now.....not just a change in Cpd policy.
Everybody knows what it is but wont touch the issue with a 10 foot pole...it aint facebook....
I would like to thank the ACLU for making my job easier. No longer do I have to get out of my car and violate outstanding citizens lives. In the 80's murders were up to 800 or more so the city doesn't care about Rahmicides. Sit back, collect a check and spend time with your family. I don't understand why coppers are so upset that the city doesn't have your back. Not the first time ever.... Stay Fetal Beat Officers.
Interesting article from Baltimore Sun
gun crimes in MD
guess where more guns came from than Indiana for use in MD gun crimes...
did you guess Illinois? You would guess right.
http://data.baltimoresun.com/gun-trace/
3916? Are you fucking kidding me, you suck ass po's better wake up!!! How about stay in Your car? Some idiots never learn...
1/18/2016 12:24:00 AM
Hey, some of us work in busy districts where we actually get calls and have to arrest people on signed complaints and have to do them. Don't want to, but have to. Cameras everywhere. Get caught on camera and beefed on for no ISR or receipt.. Yeah, not happening. So some have no choice. I'll never do one voluntarily, but if I have to lock someone up, there's no choice.
To the brain dead idiot who suggests that people make up ISR's for VRI... ISR's are NOT being used for activity for VRI.
Anonymous said...
To summarize the problem for the public and those few in the media who Have the courage to face the truth: Crime is on the ris because officers are stopping far fewer criminals. The first reason that officers are stopping far fewer criminals is the obvious lych mob mentality of the politicians, media, and "community" towards the police. Any street stop/traffic stop can turn violent or deadly in a fraction of a second and require the use of deadly force. Officers KNOW that they will be crucified in the media, sued by the family, and if opportunity exists, prosecuted by state or federal authorities for any perceived errors. The secondary reason that the police are stopping fewer criminals is the ISR. The ISR is a 2 page form that must be carefully completed by any officer who stops a person for any investigation. Trainers estimate the time to complete each ISR at approximately 30-45 minutes. That turns a 5 minute street stop of 2 people into a 1-1.5 hour ordeal. Real world example: A woman was just robbed of her purse at gunpoint by 2 offenders. Responding officers give a description of the 2 offenders. You observe 2 people matching the description of the people who committed the armed robbery. You stop 2 individuals who match the description and very quickly realize that they were not involved. You are now required to complete 1-1.5 hours of paperwork to document the stop and are therefore unable to continue to look for the offenders.
Additionally, officers are hestitant to complete the ISR because it is entered into a database that is designed primarily for the ACLU. The ACLU is perceived by many police officers to be a litigious anti-police organization. Officers don't want to be subjected to lawsuits for supposed civil rights violations when mistakes are made or words are twisted. The department has also made it clear to officers that any officers making mistakes on the ISR will be subject to department discipline.
1/18/2016 06:37:00 AM
Officer, you forgot to mention another reason why officers are not stopping people; if you stop a subject, then you must complete an Investigative Stop Report. Cops hate doing any type of paper work. They just hate it. If it involves using your brain cells then most cops hate doing it. If you ask a police man to complete a simple accident report or a battery report they will spend 30 minutes talking a citizen out of it. They would rather be outside in their cars jibber jabbing about pop culture, current events, sports, etc.
Could you imagine if all sectors of the city made the demands of the black and liberal community! The city would be destroyed if these sectors were as violent as the sectors beating the drums. I feel bad for the good hard working people in these areas they will suffer the most because of a few organized loud mouths who control the media. I have yet to see a protest larger than 500 people. However the media makes it seem so much bigger! Having worked in these select communities many people like the police around and being active but they cannot say anything against those few who stir the pot due to being a target later by BLM / gangbangers. Its sad I just hope it doesnt catch on in the other communities!!!
I want to know who the chumps are that churned out 3,916 of those atrocities in just 11 days.
Fools, one and all.
Keep sticking your neck out for an ungrateful public and a department and city standing at the ready to stick it up your ass and break it off to appease their federal overseers.
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Actually, there are certain situations where you have no option but to complete one. Why? Because there are cameras that capture the event, because of an arrest, because you have to conduct an investigation. An example, you are flagged down by a citizen that is holding an offender of a theft. So therefore, you would be a "Fool" not to do one.
Read the order. Listen when you go to the training. Its not going away. Be smart and use it to your advantage to protect actions you sometimes have to take.
Mr. Rauner , Mr. Emmanuel form a task force to eliminate welfare fraud , voter fraud . How many prisoners receive welfare , how many families are receding welfare From children ,husbands , wives were murdered . No one cares , when will Rahman cut alderman to 30
I already heard of 4 subjects by the police who had Investigatory Stops done on them.
The ACLU has ALREADY contacted them to see how they were treated.
Yep Facebook is the problem. There is definitely a serious problem. If the boss can put the blame on something completely out of his hands (facebook)without passing blame on the real cause of the problem (ghetto mentality) it's a win for him. He doesn't make enemies and can claim there is very little he can do to prevent it.
Nope. A YouTube video was to blame.
Anonymous said...
Who the f*******ck did those almost 4,000 stops? People, have your heads examined.
Think about this--since there are fewer stops being conducted, ACLU will have plenty of time to scrutinize the lower number of ISR's.
And if you think you covered yourself with great narratives, think again. Just because it makes sense to you doesn't mean it will to them.
If you are doing these stops, make sure everything you own is in a trust.
Good Lord, do you people need more of a smack in the face?
The bosses ARE USING YOU--don't listen to the pep talks for Christ's saie!
1/18/2016 06:27:00 AM
Anything in a trust can be discovered with a court order.
Angelo has had it up with the knee-jerk political reactions to the Laquan McDonald controversy that has triggered a federal civil rights investigation of the Chicago Police Department.
“Instead of looking at all of the violence, the open-air drug markets, the murder, gang involvement and threats on everyone’s doorstep — the politicians would rather limit proactive policing. If they do, they might eliminate one of the incidents in the headlines. In the meantime, we’re at four times the shootings and four times the murder rate,” Angelo said.
“Politicians making these proposals don’t want police officers to be proactive. They want them to react to situations. We’re seeing a spike in violence that’s measurable. Why people are shooting each other — that should be the concern. We’re four times over what we were last year. It’s scary. I don’t know why there’s not more outrage with that.”
Angelo also ridiculed Emanuel’s plan to train officers in de-escalation tactics.
It’s a move that has prompted the police blog known as “Second City Cop” to nickname the interim police superintendent John “De-Esclante.”
“De-escalation has been part of police training forever. How to talk someone down. Convince someone it’s not in their best interest to do whatever they’re involved in. They changed it to `verbal judo’ years ago. Now, it’s `de-escalation,’ “ Angelo said.
“When you have someone involved in criminal behavior and they’re armed with a weapon, it’s their choice what happens next. If they comply with dropping the weapon, it’s over. If they don’t, police decisions are based on decisions the offender makes. Maybe the politicians making these never-ending proposals should ride along with police and see what they face every day. And don’t put on sunglasses.”
-Shout out SCC, thanks Deano
Have the new supt picked by citizens that will not have a hand in day to day operations.
1/18/2016 11:03:00 AM
Yes, troll, you are correct. And your choice for superintendent? Lets see Reccord or maybe gator Bradley ? Maybe Karen Lewis.
"[it’s] also heavily driven by social media,” Escalante said, “It is the new way… of taunting and challenging other gangs, and is the modern way of gang graffiti.” -- Acting Supt. John Escalante
The man has a valid point here. We all know of shootings that have occurred from "social media" woofin. This is what happens when extremely advanced technology and worldwide connectivity with a dumbed-down interface are placed in the hands of -- well, idiots.
Won't go near it myself. The entire world does not need access to pics of me wiping out the kitchen cabinets or something. I want someone, I give 'em a call. Sometimes the call just says "I'll be over in 1/2 hour." Sometimes I just show up around the right time and knock -- no call, no nothing.
What strikes me most about the whole thing is the unbelievable narcissism. Guy posting pics of his latest attempt at washboard abs, and he's not looking at you, but at that lousy camerathing. In love with his image...
I do like it, though, when criminals post evidence for us. By all means, keep it up. CPD should hand out free "selfie sticks" so they can get themselves, the weapon, the body, etc. all in the frame real nice.
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Ban o'bama phones" then!
Quick, appoint this Escaloonie guy Chicago Police Superintendent for life. Not often will you find a genius willing to take the job.
I want to know who the chumps are that churned out 3,916 of those atrocities in just 11 days.
Fools, one and all.
Keep sticking your neck out for an ungrateful public and a department and city standing at the ready to stick it up your ass and break it off to appease their federal overseers.
1/18/2016 11:31:00 AM
It´s a thin blue line indeed office... We can´t strike. most of us above our means so we have a constant thirst for VRI and retro. We don´t even stick together as we just saw one of our own get thrown under the bus for political drama. So what do you expect? You will never see a stance of solidarity such as was demonstrated by NYPD officers...
Most of us are so damn egocentric we worry about bosses changing our start times or not giving us the early duck enough to look at the bigger picture. So yeah, they are going to keep boning us until not only all of our benefits are gone but this job turns what used to be the CPD beat cop, to clerks with badges. Its going to be like what the NYPD is now and detectives are going to be the only ones getting proactive arrests. All while police officers just process scenes, do traffic crash reports, give directions etcetera...
This cesspool of Nepotism that is Chicago has made it an art-form to divide and conquer. Seperating blue shirts to white shirts, shitty spot to cozy spot, and bars for stripes... why would we stick together? shit, we even all have different unions in this department. Other city cops all wear same color shirts with the rank distinguishing themselves by stripes or what have you... yup mostly Daley and others made it an exact science to divide and conquer and most coppers are too stupid or too selfish to give a damn.
It makes me sick to my stomach some idiots are still in awe of this politicos and their two-faced bs. I was on Dnainfo.com and could not believe how 009th district tac guys took a picture with this Mayor that hates us and completely decimated us, even airing out the code of silence... what a dumbass. But in the back of their minds bet they are still saying to themselves, ¨ḧey, maybe he will give me a good spot he he.¨ shaking my damn head.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They were inside of the credit union? Did anyone, such as the manager tell them to leave pending contact with the police? And when they did not leave, were they arrested for CTTL? I'm guessing there were police on the scene. No arrests? Why not? New policy in place whereby people engaging in criminal activity in the presence of the police face no sanction? Hey LEADERS, SERVERS AND PROTECTORS OF THE PUBLIC where the fuck were you? The CPD that I served and loved is dead. There are no balls at any level. Shameful, simply shameful.
Ret. Sgt.
1/18/2016 09:58:00 AM
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They were milling around outside and blocking the front entrance.
Next, you'll have them behind the counter, sitting on the desks.
Read. Don't assume.
3,916 ISR's are you fucking kidding me! I thought maybe a couple of hundred but 3 , 9 1 6 !!! Guys and Gals what we (you!) do now will and is going to affect you 3 to 6 months from now! when you're getting subpoenaed !! Sure be articulate in your narrative they say we've been doing it all along but not articulate! What sounds right to you won't make sense or legal to the ACLU lawyers! Six months from now you're going to be saying fuck! what the hell was I thinking! And I am not giving any money to the benefits that they'll be having for your fucking dumbasses !!!
Off topic...
"What 3 black cops have to say about MacDonald shooting"
http://chicagoist.com/2016/01/18/black_chicago_police_officers_talk.php
Sources kept anonymous.
Thanks for the help boys....
Always watch out for snakes in the grass
Anonymous Anonymous said...
DeEscalante has lost this department.
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1/18/2016 01:28:00 AM
Uh, Escalante never HAD this department.
He's a mealy-mouth place-holder. Nothing more than that.
Stay together Blue, show um how tough the Blue is. We are Chicago Blue.
I want to know who the chumps are that churned out 3,916 of those atrocities in just 11 days.
Fools, one and all.
Keep sticking your neck out for an ungrateful public and a department and city standing at the ready to stick it up your ass and break it off to appease their federal overseers.
1/18/2016 11:31:00 AM
Relax, it's only the same 2 guys on all the paper. They ain't been home since last Thursday and the chief kicked their furlos to 13 a&b provided they finish the paperwork by then. Both have 3.5 years on the job but by the time they finish they will be vested with working day furlos. Best part is they will easily clear $150K in overtime this year. If the aclu has a beef it will probably be that all of the stops are at the same apartment at the same address.
However, the bright side is that the entire event,when it's completed will be recorded on one ot slip for the sake of expediency.
I've seen plenty of thugs/gangsters holding 1, 2, 3 guns or more around them and I have yet to see one charged and convicted. Many are teens so where is the public outrage and media surfing and phishing for crime related images on social media from the hoods and exploit them to the public for a reality check!!!
Just remember this.... This is what we get for not sticking together.
Wow and this man wants the big spot permanently! This man needs to retire now, before his health subsides and blood pressure rises causing him to have a major health event! The war is over and thanks to elected from the white house all the way down the fish stinking from the head down is an old adage but appropriate. social media, is that what it is John? Who told you this theory? Could it be total degradation on the black community, that is perpetuated by fake reverends who get payoffs for starting shill ministries? How about the press talking nasty about whatever police officers do in your city? Could it be police bosses demoralizing officers by going after them for nonsense for a feather in their caps? Of course not its the "policeezes fault!"
It’s a move that has prompted the police blog known as “Second City Cop” to nickname the interim police superintendent John “De-Esclante.”
again proving the media trolls are here looking at our comments. don't give them
anything.
stay fetal my brothers and sisters in blue... this city is not worth risking your careers, family, and quite possibly your lives for.
Is C P D still 'visiting' homes of "possible future victims"...or another initiative like Snitch Boxes by the wayside?? Dusty Crystal Ball unit.
So why doesn't Rham and his wife Amy come out with a public service announcement asking young blacks to give up their guns and stop the killing? Don't they care?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Obamaphones !
ABCD
ABCD) (Ret)
1/18/2016 10:20:00 AM
Went into a house one time with mama's consent to search her sons room.
He had 5 cell phones on his dresser.
I asked her where they came from.
She said, "They Obama phones, they's more."
Sick to think what I pay for a cell phone every month.
Sick to know if there was not such fraud that there might be funding for mental health, etc.
Just made me sad to think.
This job always makes me sad when I think.
Never an end in sight--just one day of misery after another.
Every day on this job is sad, especially now that we are the bad guys, not the good guys any more.
Now I lie if someone asks me what I do for a living. It's such a shame. I know so many good coppers, who do so much good, who have such big hearts, and now I feel I have to lie about who I am so that I am not judged.
Good God, please help us all.
What gangs does he speak of?
Is Edison and Norwood Park part of the Windy City?
Some folks just won't call it what it is out of "sensitivity" to the community.
And another thing, why do an ISR when nobody is going to follow up the the critter you violated?
There's 3900+ reasons for you to mind your own business.
Who wants to be the media's next front page story?
009 has the most violence in the city
Bwa hahaha
Excuses, Excuses, Excuses. Do they ever end with these Democrats? I'm waitin for the tired old, it's George Bush's Fault Line, any day now
Avg Citizen here,
Isnt that the same Alderman Sawyer who got a poet's case tossed after the poet punched an officer in the eye at a protest?
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/01/18/church-based-activist-group-calls-for-creating-chicago-police-auditor-to-enforce-reforms/
(CBS) — A church-based activist organization has used the Martin Luther King Holiday to call on local officials to back reforms in the Chicago Police Department, reports WBBM Political Editor Craig Dellimore.
At the West Side’s First Baptist Congregational Church it was one part religious assembly and one part political organizing as leaders of the Community Renewal Society called for passage of what’s called the FAIR COPS ordinance.
Rev. Robert Biekman says it would create a police auditor with the power to enforce any recommendations for reform.
“We need a independent police auditor that would be appointed by a third party where there would be true independence,” he said. “No more blue-ribbon commissions. No more special task forces.”
Four aldermen present, Walter Burnett, Emma Mitts, Rick Munoz and Roderick Sawyer, pledged to support and sponsor the measure.
good lord....the depths these aldermen will go to...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/01/exclusive-sheriff-david-clarke-previewing-the-democrat-debate-minstrel-show/
Good read.
The deal has been cut, its Gene Williams for Supt will be voted on and confirmed 17 Feb
There needs to be a 100% reduction in street stops. This is what the mayor, the legislature and the "community" is demanding. One angry state rep is introducing a bill to eliminate the requirement to sign an affidavit for complaints against the police. The mayor accuses us of corruption through a thin blue line of silence. This coming from the most secretive mayor in decades and a disciple of the Clinton ways of lies, cover ups and stalling tactics. This same mayor asks us to look at a corner full of gun toting, dope slinging, neighborhood terrorising gang bangers and see them as artist and musicians. So lets do just that.
It's no mystery who is doing the stops. New guys, guys who want to keep their spot, money guys (vri), terminally aggressive guys and supervisors.
Stay fetal.
So if his theory is right the internet police should know in advance what is going down?
At least the FOIA unit is manned by all those officers who picked up law degrees on the Cities dime.
But the fed can't spare help to solve murders or indict gunrunners!
They can come in and enforce contact cards and secretly down load info from district computers.
Carry your gun at all times don't be the copper honking your horn and being surprised by a GLOCK pointing at you in your civilian dress clothes while in a funeral procession.
When was the last time you heard about the GUN unit in the news paper?
May be the Supe should be elected like the sheriff?
NO more grovelling to Alderman No more ass kissing to the mayor.
And if screw up new election every few years.
The Specialized Units should be making 30 stops a night, if they can't comply goodbye. It's a phone call unit earn your keep.
Wow!! We have completely destroyed ourselves with these merit promotions. These guys are so dishonorable.
They were inside of the credit union? Did anyone, such as the manager tell them to leave pending contact with the police? And when they did not leave, were they arrested for CTTL? I'm guessing there were police on the scene. No arrests? Why not?
I guess it's the same reason why those 'freeloading, govt. handout' ranchers over in Oregon haven't been arrested (or touched in any way) either, after trespassing in that government facility, rifling through files, taking personal information on govt. employees, even getting caught away from the scene driving stolen govt. vehicles from that location. Oh, but they aren't being labelled 'armed thugs', so it's all good.
(OT) thank you Zac Brown band!
Zac brown band did a tribute to the police and firemen.
http://youtu.be/y2LTW7pn22k
You can't make this insanity up! The United Nations is sending a team here to Chicago to look into violence on blacks by Chicago police!
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/77106039-story
You hard chargers get the hint please the battle is over the beast has won, guess the black community wants to police itself they can call 1-800-alderman they are badged can carry a weapon (a squirt gun perhaps) ride along with flaky,Farrakhan,Jackson put sharpton in the side car would be the new crime fighters like batman,green hornet or shaft can you dig it?
Facebook is responsible for all the carnage???? What stupid fucktard came up with this idea? How bout the millions of dollars generated from drug sales on the street by these wannabee doctors and college students-aka ganster d's. The public and the press get dumber and dumber everyday. Pretty soon we'll be saying president hillary.
How is it possible, that Escalante is worse then J-Fled
"Ban o'bama phones" then!"
1/18/2016 02:44:00 PM
I am going to have to work up and keep ready a prepared statement about this urban myth. Comes up here about twice a day, and isn't true. No one is giving away $500 smartphones. More like $5.00 simple phones for the indigent elderly.
There is enough real s__t out there to get mad about.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They were inside of the credit union? Did anyone, such as the manager tell them to leave pending contact with the police? And when they did not leave, were they arrested for CTTL? I'm guessing there were police on the scene. No arrests? Why not? New policy in place whereby people engaging in criminal activity in the presence of the police face no sanction? Hey LEADERS, SERVERS AND PROTECTORS OF THE PUBLIC where the fuck were you? The CPD that I served and loved is dead. There are no balls at any level. Shameful, simply shameful.
Ret. Sgt.
1/18/2016 09:58:00 AM
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They were milling around outside and blocking the front entrance.
Next, you'll have them behind the counter, sitting on the desks.
Read. Don't assume.
1/18/2016 02:56:00 PM
They made it inside and blocked the tellers windows with a human chain...
Everyone of them should of been arrested but this department is as soft as puppy shit now a days.
Now go away and get your shine box!
stops a night, if they can't comply goodbye. It's a phone call unit earn your keep.
Ummmm.....no.
What stupid fucktard came up with this idea? How bout the millions of dollars generated from drug sales on the street by these wannabee doctors and college students-aka ganster d's. The public and the press get dumber and dumber everyday. Pretty soon we'll be saying president hillary.
They aint fighting over drugs except for 011, get with it dude these morons have been whacking each other all over the city due to social media eve hear of lil jo jo that was five years ago SM easily 50% of the shootings.
Were they inside the credit union, or was it just credit union employees? Nobody can say F the police better than the "patrolmen's" credit union. Their high interest rates are one step above a payday loan service.
"When was the last time you heard about the GUN unit in the news paper?"
1/18/2016 09:13:00 PM
Sun-Times had something on front page tonight about putting "gun call" in court for possession cases. Sometimes I just catch headline on my way past, tired, have to look this up.
The Specialized Units should be making 30 stops a night, if they can't comply goodbye. It's a phone call unit earn your keep.
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I have to agree with the above. Copper being dog's are endangering 99.00000 percent of the legit citizens here in our city. The legend in their own minds of the narcotic section do their one 1/10 gram buy a day and hit the bricks. The unit is useless and should be in an unmarked making street stops. 500 plus bodies there that serve no purpose.
What say you J. E ? You were always a street copper and the troops are in the hole for hours now.
Copper' lying down is not the answer either. Make legit interactions and arrests of the rats and the city crime rate will fall.
"Ban o'bama phones" then!"
1/18/2016 02:44:00 PM
I am going to have to work up and keep ready a prepared statement about this urban myth. Comes up here about twice a day, and isn't true. No one is giving away $500 smartphones. More like $5.00 simple phones for the indigent elderly.
There is enough real s__t out there to get mad about.
Every dope head and welfare cheat has one. No not a smartphone but still a phone with minutes every month on our dime! Jag
To the idiots that keep saying the ISR is law it is NOT, law states you have to give recepits of people you stop as well as document the incident, nothing about a 2 page form that takes 30 minutes, nothing about the ACLU, a non law enforcement or govt agency having unlimited access to them just to get you fired for any little reason. So stop saying its the law, when it is not
I guess it's the same reason why those 'freeloading, govt. handout' ranchers over in Oregon haven't been arrested (or touched in any way) either, after trespassing in that government facility, rifling through files, taking personal information on govt. employees, even getting caught away from the scene driving stolen govt. vehicles from that location. Oh, but they aren't being labelled 'armed thugs', so it's all good.
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Get out of here you thug loving troll!!
Maybe the truth for the blame is Karen Lewis and her teachers union inciting the youth and not teaching them.
And the goverment/democrats supply the shooters with free internet and smart phones. Priceless!
....Officer, you forgot to mention another reason why officers are not stopping people; if you stop a subject, then you must complete an Investigative Stop Report. Cops hate doing any type of paper work. They just hate it. If it involves using your brain cells then most cops hate doing it. If you ask a police man to complete a simple accident report or a battery report they will spend 30 minutes talking a citizen out of it. They would rather be outside in their cars jibber jabbing about pop culture, current events, sports, etc.....
Hey pal, it's clear that you're not a cop but a troll looking for some type of response that will illicit answers. But you don't start by opening you mouth and talking about something you have no clue about.
1/18/2016 02:56:00 PM
They made it inside and blocked the tellers windows with a human chain...
Everyone of them should of been arrested but this department is as soft as puppy shit now a days.
Now go away and get your shine box!
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Arrested with no complainant ? When the credit union asked the police to kick them out, they did. You need to be warned to leave a public place before you can be arrested for trespassing. Bet you get sued a lot.
I am going to have to work up and keep ready a prepared statement about this urban myth. Comes up here about twice a day, and isn't true. No one is giving away $500 smartphones. More like $5.00 simple phones for the indigent elderly.
There is enough real s__t out there to get mad about.
1/18/2016 11:10:00 PM
When I stop finding them on gangbangers and other assorted lowlifes I will stop getting mad about them. They hand them out to anyone.
Officer, you forgot to mention another reason why officers are not stopping people; if you stop a subject, then you must complete an Investigative Stop Report. Cops hate doing any type of paper work. They just hate it. If it involves using your brain cells then most cops hate doing it. If you ask a police man to complete a simple accident report or a battery report they will spend 30 minutes talking a citizen out of it. They would rather be outside in their cars jibber jabbing about pop culture, current events, sports, etc.
1/18/2016 12:34:00 PM
Don't bring us down to your level you nut bag.
1/18/2016 06:27:00 AM
Anything in a trust can be discovered with a court order.
1/18/2016 02:26:00 PM
Put it all in someone else's name.
1/18/2016 02:58:00 PM
If you don't or didn't know what to stop people for before, and can't articulate why you stopped them, you need to find a new line of work.
The reason you ask? John is creepy and the the mayor is an asshole!
I guess it's the same reason why those 'freeloading, govt. handout' ranchers over in Oregon haven't been arrested (or touched in any way) either, after trespassing in that government facility, rifling through files, taking personal information on govt. employees, even getting caught away from the scene driving stolen govt. vehicles from that location. Oh, but they aren't being labelled 'armed thugs', so it's all good.
1/18/2016 09:51:00 PM
Here is an agent of Rahm. Go away, communist. Men are talking here.
Copper' lying down is not the answer either. Make legit interactions and arrests of the rats and the city crime rate will fall.
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No thanks. I don't care what unit or district you are in. Stop doing work. Don't do a thing. I'm on a team not in patrol and I haven't locked anyone up since late November. There is no need to. The public, media, department, states attorney, Feds and politicians from alderman all the way up to presidential candidates are against us.. Don't do anything. And to you guys in units and on teams, don't be fooled by your sgts who keep pushing you to do work.. If they don't understand why or keep pushing you hen they are clueless. Our Sgt told us in the beginning of December to go hands off and don't do a thing.. You should do the same. Of course though, every unit has their ultra aggressive sgts who want to keep working with the hopes they can get that merit LT spot one day
Where are examples of this so-called Social Media fighting going on between gangs on twitter? Anybody have a link?
Anonymous Anonymous said...
1/18/2016 06:27:00 AM
Anything in a trust can be discovered with a court order.
1/18/2016 02:26:00 PM
Put it all in someone else's name.
1/19/2016 06:02:00 AM
Great idea, 'til she divorces you.
Great idea, 'til the 'someone else' gets sued and loses your assets.
Great idea, 'til you can't mortgage it or deduct the taxes on it.
Great idea, 'til you get hit with fraud charges for deception.
Yeah. Great idea.
Cfd does not clear medical results on black lawsuit not qualified fire fighters now 2 have died and more in bad shape great job rahm crew make taxpayers pay more due to your total incompetence:
http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/77400668-story
Shootings are up because there are so few people left to rob and rape and kill. Now they are shooting everybody and anything they can get close to. It is not rocket science.
It's all Facebook's fault. Sue Mark Zuckerberg. He got a lot of money......
Anonymous Anonymous said...
1/18/2016 02:56:00 PM
They made it inside and blocked the tellers windows with a human chain...
Everyone of them should of been arrested but this department is as soft as puppy shit now a days.
Now go away and get your shine box!
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Arrested with no complainant ? When the credit union asked the police to kick them out, they did. You need to be warned to leave a public place before you can be arrested for trespassing. Bet you get sued a lot.
1/19/2016 03:26:00 AM
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Who said trespassing? DISORDERLY CONDUCT doesn't need a warning...Any patron inside could of signed for that, or any worker.
I bet your a merit hack or house mouse...Now you go get your shine box...
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