ISP "Ahead of the Game"
- Anyone wanting to carry a concealed firearm in Illinois likely must wait until April before the first permits are issued, but State Police Director Hiram Grau assured gun owners his department is “way ahead of the game” in getting ready to approve the permits.
State lawmakers approved concealed carry legislation for Illinois in May, and it became law earlier this month, after the House and Senate overrode Gov. Pat Quinn’s amendatory veto.
The legislation gives Illinois State Police 180 days – or until Jan. 5, 2014 – to make concealed carry permit applications available to the public. Once applications are submitted, they have 90 days to review them, and approve or reject them.
“We’re way ahead of the game,” Grau said. “We created a committee when we heard it was going to start going into play, and so we’re going to be ready. We’ll be ready. There are several steps that we have to take, but we’re taking those steps.”
Imagine that - an arm of Illinois government actually working efficiently and anticipating the needs of its citizens? Color us as doubters here, we'll believe it when we see it.
Labels: gun issues
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
34 Comments:
Well if that were so,
Then pray tell,
Could Hiram explain why it's over three months in some cases to apply or renew a FOID card then?
When it was usually a month or so?
Does anyone know under the new conceal,carry law will retired P.O.s still hve to shoot and pay $75.00 every year or will their permits be good as long as the new permits issued are?
As a retired LEO, I'm already qualified to carry both a revolver and a semi-automatic pistol under HR 218 for a $100 annual qualification fee.
If I only carry within Illinois, wouldn't I be better off by just obtaining the new 5 year permit for $150 or $30 per year? In addition, wouldn't the 16 hour training be waived for retired LEO?
Grau is part of the machine and has his oerders. He will do as told and drag this out as long as possible.
Who knows, maybe something significant will occur to stall it even further.
the day an ex-shitcago deputy says anything is on time or working i would be cautious. grau is another tool and yes man for the machine. oh and another going to be double dipper of pensions!!!
The only thing LiL Hi is getting ready for is what's his next job going to be. Typical suck hole merit
hack.Wonder if Quinn and the rest of the potato heads know that he was Joe Miedzinowskis partner for a year in the gang unit. Makes you wonder.
If your retired you are still better off with the HR 218 card. Good in every state, commonwealth and US territory..
The only thing that will speed this up is another court order from the 7th Circuit. The gun groups' motion for immediate "FOID carry" until permits issue was denied by the District Court, which I assume will be appealed, to at least generate some heat on ISP to speed up.
Hiram created a committee!!!
Oh Boy!
retired police officer said...
As a retired LEO, I'm already qualified to carry both a revolver and a semi-automatic pistol under HR 218 for a $100 annual qualification fee.
If I only carry within Illinois, wouldn't I be better off by just obtaining the new 5 year permit for $150 or $30 per year? In addition, wouldn't the 16 hour training be waived for retired LEO?
7/30/2013 01:20:00 AM
It certainly would save you some money and you wouldn't have to qualify every year.Don't know what states would honor the Illinois CC permit because of Ill's track record. I do know that the IROCC should lower the cost of our registration to at least be in line with other state residents.
If I only carry within Illinois, wouldn't I be better off by just obtaining the new 5 year permit for $150 or $30 per year? In addition, wouldn't the 16 hour training be waived for retired LEO?
7/30/2013 01:20:00 AM
If you only plan to carry in Illinois go for it. However, you will have to take the 16 hour training course.
HR218 allows you to carry in ALL states. So if you plan on taking a road trip beyond Illinois you are better off to qualify each year.
The short of it is, never believe a word of anything uttered by Hiram "Wish I Had" Grauwn.
To the retired LEO
This is from the ISP webb site.
Who needs an Illinois Concealed Carry License?
Everyone who wants to carry a concealed firearm on his/her person in Illinois is required to have an Illinois Concealed Carry License except current peace officers and retired police officers eligible under the Illinois Retired Officer Concealed Carry (IROCC) Program. Retired officers may be eligible to carry under either the IROCC Program or the Firearm Concealed Carry Act (430 ILCS 66).
Seems my infantry weapons training should be qualify me for CC same as a LEO.
To retired LEO,
IROCC has not changed and you can carry nationwide and be recognized as retired LEO. HB0183 does not waive any of the 16 mandated training hours for retired law enforcement. Some states have a reciprocity for CCW.
See:http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
To 01:20:00
IROCC just sent out a letter explaining the difference between the two forms of concealed carry. I would stay with the retired officer concealed carry as opposed to citizen concealed carry.
According to the IROCC website, the IROCC card allows you to carry your firearm nationwide. The card recognizes the holder as retired law enforcement, and there is a 24 hr/7 day a week verification phone number if there is a question concerning your having qualified. The fee you pay every year goes to pay for the program which does not receive any government funding. The new CC permit does not have a provision in it for waiving the 16 hr training for retired law enforcement. In reading the CPD Dept Notice D13-10 issued 9 July 2013, it lists locations where a person with a CC permit is restricted from carrying. It does not state that IROCC card holders are also restricted from carrying in those locations. If you already have an IROCC, you're exempt from having to get the new CC permit. Make your own choice as to which card you want. For me, I'll go with the IROCC.
Well if that were so,
Then pray tell,
Could Hiram explain why it's over three months in some cases to apply or renew a FOID card then?
When it was usually a month or so?
My guess would be that there have been alot more people requesting FOID cards in anticipation of the CCW law being passed
Does anyone know under the new conceal,carry law will retired P.O.s still hve to shoot and pay $75.00 every year or will their permits be good as long as the new permits issued are?
7/30/2013 12:59:00 AM
retired police officer said...
As a retired LEO, I'm already qualified to carry both a revolver and a semi-automatic pistol under HR 218 for a $100 annual qualification fee.
If I only carry within Illinois, wouldn't I be better off by just obtaining the new 5 year permit for $150 or $30 per year? In addition, wouldn't the 16 hour training be waived for retired LEO?
The only reason I can see to qualify for the IROCC would be that it is covered by federal law so you can carry throughout the US and the second is I dont think or really know but it doesnt have all the restrictions that the new CCW permit has like not carrying on public transportation, courts, etc
This from the people who took 4 1/2 months to renew my FOID card...
Let me translate for Grau. Many here dont speak Chicagoese.
"We are all screwed up with regards to FOID and CC law permits. However we are sure the corrupt Legislature will come back and attempt to screw the whole CC law up so we are not worried abot issuing anything at this point."
I believe I read that there are two plaintiffs that filed a motion (to the presiding fed judge) to allow Illinois citizens to immediately start c.c. and that Illinois politicians had done everything possible to stall, drag out, or make difficult their right to exercises the 2nd amendment. If an Illinois citizen is lawfully in possession of a foid card, then that should be sufficient. I think this release by ISP, is another divergent to quell that motion before the fed judge( Im too lazy to google the judges name),.
Just recieved a letter from IROCC explaining the difference.With IROCC you can conceal carry nationwide.Not so with the new Ill law.Also,they will not waive the class for retired P.O's.In addition IROCC permit is issued within 10 days of qualifying.The alternative could take up to 6 months to be issued
They'll still wait the maximum amount of time before issuing the permits.
@01:20:00AM
Irocc's Leosa permit allows you to conceal carry anywhere an off duty active cop can. That means the "no weapons allowed" signs do not pertain to you.
If you get the new IL CC license, you would be subject to all the restrictions of the Act, such as no carry in museums, ballparks, etc.
If you want to carry practically anywhere, then keep the irocc and pay more. If you want to have to keep watching out for signs and remembering where you cannot carry, then cheap out and get the state permit. Irocc is also good in all over the US.
From the Act and irocc.org, retired LEOs are NOT exempt from the training requirement. You still gotta do your hours.
I'm recommending to my family to keep their irocc permits instead of getting an IL cc permit.
Could Hiram explain why it's over three months in some cases to apply or renew a FOID card then?
When it was usually a month or so?
7/30/2013 12:54:00 AM
Take it easy on Hiram. He's short of help.
Did you hear Hiram won the limbo contest at the ISP picnic? They said he is a natural. They couldn't set the bar low enough to stop him.
Couldn't they just put up a "No Guns Allowed" sign?
rb
Clarksville, Arkansas School District Opts For Armed Teachers, Staff
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/30/clarksville-arkansas-armed-teachers_n_3676471.html
Anonymous said...
Let me translate for Grau. Many here dont speak Chicagoese.
"We are all screwed up with regards to FOID and CC law permits. However we are sure the corrupt Legislature will come back and attempt to screw the whole CC law up so we are not worried abot issuing anything at this point."
7/30/2013 10:17:00 AM
Bingo!
Six months to make permit applications available to the public! That's practically warp speed for these jokers. I'm thinking call any Iowa sheriff, get copy of application form, adapt form -- elapsed time three days. One day to make it available on city web site. Photocopies available hard copy at every precinct tile nice printed form prepared. Elapsed time = four days.
A retired PO IROCC does not allow you to do anything, federal HB 218 allows you to carry in any state or territory. all Irroc does is give you an ID stating you have qualified for the year. That $75 or $100 pays all of the people at IROCC range fees and instructor fees. Im currently researching this after I found that 1.)Retired LEOs are exempt from having a state issued permit, our ID card is all that is required. and that in Oct of 2012 President Obama amended the bill stating that retired leos need to qualify with the state or a qualified firearms instructor from the state in which you reside and qualified to instruct active leos. 18 usc 926c 2010 is the chapter.
By the way IROCC said they are not lowering the price
6 months and counting for my FOID card . I had one years ago but let it expire . Clean record .
It was 2 days to pass the background check for a badge at Ohare .
.....and that in Oct of 2012 President Obama amended the bill stating that retired leos need to qualify with the state or a qualified firearms instructor from the state in which you reside and qualified to instruct active leos. 18 usc 926c 2010 is the chapter.
8/02/2013 09:36:00 AM
So, is it another reason for me to further dislike Obama or not?
you can like OBAMA the change was made to make it easier for retired pos to qualify. Its the politicians this state thats making it hardwho do you think came up with irocc.
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